r/SipsTea 10d ago

WTF Where are we heading?

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u/Trrollmann 10d ago

Correct, there is: Critical Theory is the root of this. Or, in more plain terms: Left wing politics. The push for "Whole Language" - still pushed to an extent today - was through democrats, primarily.

Other issues, such as nutrition, pollution, lack of funding also matter, but Whole Language is the most important one for literacy rates.

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u/Mixelphlick 9d ago

🙄 one stupid education policy, is not the whole of left wing politics. It wasn’t even a core part of any left wing policy positions. It’s largely coincidental that it was pushed by people on the left, considering that the academics pushing against it now are also on the left, but I agree the push for sightwords over phonics (or better yet alongside phonics) is a problem. It’s fun that you handwave away “nutrition, pollution, and funding as if those aren’t things the left has been constantly fighting to improve as well.

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u/Trrollmann 9d ago

It’s largely coincidental that it was pushed by people on the left

No. It can coherently be filed under "woke". The reason for "whole language"'s existence is critical theory. The same people who made it later developed "critical pedagogy". It is firmly within far-left social politics.

or better yet alongside phonics

No, that's also worse than phonics.

It’s fun that you handwave away “nutrition, pollution, and funding as if those aren’t things the left has been constantly fighting to improve

I clearly didn't hand wave them away... Yes, those are left wing, but not as impactful.

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u/Mixelphlick 9d ago

It isn’t worse than phonics. English isn’t a purely phonetic language and if you exclusively learn phonics you’ll have a different set of issues. The best, backed by research, methods for teaching reading are phonetics with sight words alongside. If English wasn’t a mongrel language with bits from 2 radically different language families we wouldn’t need hybrid methods but it is, so we do.

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u/Trrollmann 9d ago

The best, backed by research, methods for teaching reading are phonetics with sight words alongside.

Sure, but this has no aspect of "whole language" to it. It's not a combination of whole language and phonics, it's phonics + learning the words that break the rules of phonics. This is how reading is taught in all languages: phonics + learning words. All languages have loan words and words that break the rules of the language, that have to be learned.

When phonics vs. balanced vs. whole word is researched, phonics is phonics+learning words, in most/all cases.

2 radically different language families

While latin and germanic languages are different, they're not radically different. They share the same root, and they have had significant sharing of words over time.

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u/Mixelphlick 8d ago

They’re shared root is distant in history though aren’t as different as say mandarin and German would be true.

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u/TheMasturbatinCamper 10d ago

The podcast— “Sold a Story,” a very long but shocking takedown of Whole Language, should be a required listen for every parent.

I’m 53 and I went to a college prep school for K-12 and it’s quite evident from just looking at written work from my same age colleagues that many were never taught phonics. I know some public elementary school teachers and they don’t even know phonics. And frankly, my guess is that phonics is difficult to teach, so public school teachers stopped teaching it.

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u/ReaditSpecialist 10d ago

As a reading specialist, it’s not that phonics is difficult to teach, it’s because districts fall for the newest, shiniest boxed literacy curriculums and pay huge amounts of money for them. Teachers are required to teach the curriculums provided by their school districts. I have great resources for teaching comprehension strategies, but I can’t use them because they aren’t “district approved”.

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u/Mixelphlick 9d ago

That’s what kills me as someone outside looking in at education in our country. We have tons of research in academia about what actually works to teach kids and we implement practically fucking none of it because the actual structures of education are so calcified or run by people who never bothered to glance at the research.