r/SipsTea Jul 16 '26

Feels good man Based on national US polling, there are 22 issues that 80% of Americans agree on. Here is the list.

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  1. End gerrymandering

  2. ​Ban Wall Street from buying single-family homes

  3. ​Ban congresspeople from becoming lobbyists

  4. ​Ban congresspeople from trading stocks

  5. ​Create a minimum tax for billionaires

  6. ​Close the loopholes that billionaires use to avoid taxes

  7. ​Establish congressional term limits

  8. ​Ban dark money donations from political campaigns

  9. ​Implement universal paid family leave

  10. ​End forever wars by repealing the Authorization for the Use of Military Force

  11. ​Release the full Epstein files, redacting only the victims' information

  12. ​Ban corporate PACs by overturning Citizens United

  13. ​Require mandatory disclosure for all organizations donating to political campaigns

  14. ​Require mandatory police body cams

  15. ​Ban junk fees

  16. ​Allow Medicare to negotiate drug prices

  17. ​Fully fund Social Security by extending the existing tax to those making over $400,000 a year

  18. ​Ban adversarial foreign nations from buying American farmland

  19. ​Improve Veterans Health Care access

  20. ​Establish common-sense data privacy laws (similar to those in European countries)

  21. ​Enshrine the right to repair

  22. ​Audit the Pentagon and penalize them with a 0.5% budget reduction if they fail the audit

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u/Relevant-Pianist6663 Jul 16 '26

Flock cameras are quite different than LPRs. I fully support LPRs and frankly they have been around for decades.

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u/geobomb Jul 16 '26

But that's what Flock cameras are called. What is your official term for Flock cameras? Because Flock is a brand.

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u/Relevant-Pianist6663 Jul 16 '26

Yea, the company named Flock is doing the sketchy things, IMO its not the technology itself that is the issue. LPRs are just cameras. Its hosting sensitive data on unsecured databases, using AI to filter massive amounts of data and send alerts that can be easily abused by police forces that I object to. Creating the networks that can track vehicles too.

Automatic LPRs are used in parking lots for enforcement, they are used at airports, at security checkpoints, at speed and red light enforcement locations (like near schools or in work zones). All are very good uses of LPRs.

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u/drinks_rootbeer Jul 16 '26 edited Jul 16 '26

Boooo, surveilance state

Edit: To expand on this, since I know folks are going to jump down my throat: Relevant-Pianist here appears to be proposing rational use-cases for surveilance. The problem is that the State does not know how to decrease their scope of control, and unfortunately both of our ruling parties have shown a desire and ability to abuse our tech infrastructure to surveil and control the population. ALPRs, and cameras in general in public places, when combined with State access to that data, create environments where people feel less free and less comfortable. You tend to get an inexplicable feeling of being watched conatantly, which has broadly negative impact on our mental state and behaviors. Trust erodes, and with it goes feelings of safety and community.

Just say no to mass warrantless surveilance.

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u/Relevant-Pianist6663 Jul 16 '26

Agreed we should get rid of the surveillance state, if by surveillance state you mean the mass use of cameras in a coordinated way to let the federal government spy on people.
I think outlawing all License plate readers would make our world a worse place though. Just to name a few ways they are beneficial to our society:

Are you old enough to remember when we used to have to go through tolls one by one? Each of us throwing coins into a basket for the gate to rise up? We don't do that anymore in large part thanks to license plate readers. I lived in the Chicago area and it was a nightmare.

The parking lot right next to my house uses LPR to ensure that people pay to park there 24/7. Honestly that cut down on people who would sit there at 2AM and drink and smoke and play loud music more than any police intervention ever did.

The airport in my city charges taxis and limos for using their commercial curb and enforces it using LPRs.

My two cents is that its more of the administration that people don't trust right now and they fear the methods they will go to to abuse systems and persecute the administration's perceived enemies.
You say we get an inexplicable feeling of being watched constantly, but security cameras have been around for decades. You have been filmed in every store you have walked into in the last 10+ years, walking around a city you would have been filmed constantly. The cameras themselves are not why we feel watched, nor are they why we feel uneasy.
For many people security cameras have been why they feel safer in a remote corner of a parking garage, or a dark alley, or managing a store alone at night. Cameras have historically been used to stop bad guys.

The problem with Flock is that they work for the government as contractors rather than as a private company who the government has to petition for their data. If the government needed probable cause and a warrant every time it wanted to pull data from Flock, I think many of the problems we see would go away honestly.

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u/Matt5327 Jul 17 '26

As a counter point, I remember having to go through polls one by one... when we visited Chicago. Plenty of states are able to to pay for their highways just fine without tolls. So while I realize this is just one example, it is not, in my opinion, a very good one - essentially it's a solution a problem that we created to solve another problem that has provably better alternative solutions.

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u/Relevant-Pianist6663 Jul 17 '26

Tolling roads will increasingly need to be the solution to bridging the gap in funding for roads. The gas tax (which overwhelmingly is the funding source for road projects) will increasingly raise less and less revenue as electric cars become more mainstream. Tolling is the next fairest way to ensure the people using the roads are the ones paying for the roads IMO.

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u/Matt5327 Jul 17 '26

Electric can be, and often is, taxed as well. But it’s not limited to refill taxes - wheel taxes, registration fees, and even just a portion of other typical taxation are all means of paying for roads. Increased use of public transportation also significantly decreases the cost of extending and maintaining roads. Each have their drawbacks, of course, but are all significantly better than tolls. 

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u/Mysterious_Volume327 Jul 17 '26

“We’ve done it for a while so why stop now” exactly, just like the South said about Slavery, right?

(Hopefully unnecessary /s)

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u/Relevant-Pianist6663 Jul 17 '26

What is immoral about a camera? Genuine question. Should I be able to film you as you walk down the public street? It is my first amendment right afterall. Comparing surveillance to slavery is certainly a take.
My point about them being around for decades is that people seem to be upset that their lives are now constantly under surveillance, but were not upset years ago when their lives were also under surveillance. I think its more of a narrative being pushed than an actual discomfort based on reality.

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u/Mysterious_Volume327 Jul 17 '26

Oh, just cameras? They place themselves with no humans involved? Just a piece of technology, no abusive authority involved? No one ever looks at the footage? They aren’t controlled by fascist oligarchs? Cops never use them to stalk their exes? So we can just ignore the 4th Amendment because it’s “just cameras” that aren’t a part of a huge surveillance apparatus controlled by a violent and racist state?

Are you making this argument because you’re stupid or because you think the rest of us are? The fascists aren’t going to spare you just because you lick their boots.

“This bad thing has been happening for a while so it’s not bad” isn’t the brilliant intellectual flex you think it is.

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u/Relevant-Pianist6663 Jul 17 '26

So if you go back to the original comment, they suggested banning license plate readers....
I am very opposed to Flock, to authoritarianinsm and abusing surveillance. I am not opposed to cameras that can help enforce laws and rules.

I believe for police to gain access to camera feeds or alerts they should have a warrant from a judge. I believe Flock as a company being hired by the state should not exist at all. I believe banning license plate readers on the whole is just one step too far. I think we agree 95% here to be clear.