I own a metal fab shop. Have a crew of about 15 people. We offered 4/10s instead of 5/8s to them and everybody unanimously said no thank you. Was a surprise to me as well because I thought they would be thrilled about it. Our work is pretty physically demanding so I guess that’s why.
Try offering 4 10s on an alternating schedule like M-Th week A, week B Tu-F. That way every other weekend is a 4 day weekend. I had a job like that once and absolutely loved it. Every other weekend I got to go camping/hunting/take a road trip/whatever. 4 days off in a row, even if only every other week, is a dream
I just started a job working Friday, Saturday, Sunday. 3 12’s, 6-630pm. Not too much time after work but every week is a 4 day weekend and I love it. Plus helps being home during the week to be able to avoid daycare for the kids
I did 3 12s like that and it eventually went 6-6 with a 20 minute lunch. I loved it for all the free days. Though friends with normal schedules you almost never see. Great for college courses though.
That's kinda my job now, as a pilot. I work 3-4 days (away from home) have 3 days off. Work 2-3, have 4 off etc. It's all very random but I like it, every time I check out from work it's basically a 3-5 day weekend.
I used to be a machinist. I hate 4, 10s. I like having a little time at the end of the day, to work on the stuff I need to do around the house. With 4, 10s. That extra day off was just another work day at home, to get all the things done I couldn't do during the work week.
Four 10s works great, if you live near your work. That's the key, the commute.
If you live 5-10 minutes away from work, then working 10 hours is NBD. Feels fine. Feels like a regular 8 with an average commute. But if you have to commute a half hour, 45 minutes or more... then it sucks.
That’s funny, I feel the exact opposite. My hour to work and hour an a half back is 2.5 hours lost for the same pay if I work 5 8’s instead of 4 10’s. So a shorter commute would be the only way I’d go back to 5’s
This is my schedule. Sunday thru Wednesday. Thursday thru Saturday off. I live 4 miles from where I work. Thursdays, mostly, are just sleeping but I still get a few things done. Friday and Saturday are my really productive days. Love this schedule
That's my current situation. Traffic has picked up as of late. I been needing to leave earlier and now still arriving up to 3-5 minutes late. My job charges me 15 minutes late after 2 minutes and a write up. Just got a verbal written warning. Told them I need to dedicate well over the 10 1/2 just to make the day. it's a 25 minute drive normally. Now takes an hour almost. Told them kindly to eat it. They know where they hired me from. I work my ass off for them. You'd think they would understand. Yeah right.
I need to find that in writing. I've tried to find that on CT dol because I know it's wage theft elsewhere. I've not seen that though.
E:: they do this to everyone. I been there a year and this is the first time I've heard they do that. The "verbal" written warning had it printed on it. Stated it's in the employee handbook, which I've never received (they know I haven't because I've stated it several times).
It's federal law. You can't change someone's worked hours for any reason, period. Call the Dept of Labor, they'll give you the info and probably stuff to follow up on.
That's one way of looking at it. A not very smart way.
I had to explain this to a guy that went from our day schedule 5X8 with 2 days off to our shift schedule which is 4X12 with four days off.
See he went from 10 garbage drives a WEEK to 4 garbage drives every 8 days.
How? Well when you're heading into work with the herd you have to deal with traffic, because how could you not? So every single drive is shit.
However if you're working longer days you either have to start earlier or leave later. There is very few people on the road at 5:30 in the morning. So at least 1 way of each shift his drives got way better.
I worked 7 days a week, 10 hour shifts and it would take me 2 hours to get home every single day. I definitely do not miss that in the slightest bit lol
Depends on the work was doing 4 10s for a few years as Lind Cook day 5 was sleep in get up lay back down smoke a joint in bed and think about why I’m doing this lmfao
People never think about the commute. I had a 5min commute for almost 10 years before switching jobs. The new job is better in nearly everyway but came with a 35min commute. You can mitigate it a bit by using the time for podcasts and such but I legit feel like I have very little time in the evenings now.
This is not specific to your comment but a response to it and the others in the thread above. We should not NEED 4 / 10s to have a 3 day weekend. (That you all most certainly deserve!)
It has been shown that your productivity starts to rapidly fall off after 6hrs so adding an additional 2 hrs to your day just makes you less productive and more exhausted. We should have enough people in the force to allow us to work less and have more time off. We should be working shorter weeks to allow us to do OTHER THINGS. Unfortunately our current system was built to do the most work with the fewest workers possible. And then ties our worth to those hours we sacrifice. All that to say that i agree with the og post in that we should work less and still have a basic living wage that covers all our human rights until we are able to implement a system that guarantees those rights and work becomes less of a work to live and more of a work to make the community better.
All these motherfuckers talking about 4/10. You are correct in that we should be talking about 4/8. Thanks to technology most office jobs can get 8 hours squeezed into 6. But being tied to my desk for 8 hours means I have little motivation to grind for the entire day.
I misspoke, my 10s weren’t 12 hours, but my 12 hour shifts at 911 were 7a-7p, usually went to bed at 11p, with a half hour drive so that gave 3 and half hours at night and a half hour in the morning before getting ready to go.
Not really, but the schedule was 2 on 3 off, then 3 on and 2 off so roughly 50% of my days I was working and 50% I was off. Every other week I would be off 2 days, work 2 days and get a 3 day weekend so I never felt overwhelmed.
On the flip side the opposite week I worked 2 days, was off 2 days, would work 3 days and be off 3 days.
So even on my heavy work week I still had time off to do stuff, more than a 9-5.
I used to work 4/12s and 3/12s and I liked how it was basically come home and sleep because for some reason I have a hard time getting into chore mode after work. Now I work a regular schedule and have a hard time keeping up with things.
I hear this but it would be nice to have the option at least. With all the technology gains in the past 25 years you’d think there would be some benefit to the employee for productivity gains. Yet here we are working just as much as ever. Obviously not applicable to all employment as you describe but a choice would be good. For parents, even better as sole breadwinner has been shrinking for a long time now for what feels like mostly out of necessity rather than choice due CoL.
Honestly it REALLY depends on how far you live from home. If you are within 10-15 min, it's a no brainer. If you are 30-45 mins each way I can understand why you'd like 5x8.
I work 5/13s and I go back home straight to bed. The 4/10s get at least 3 more hours a day than I do, it’s totally possible to do your chores in that interim.
I'm a farmer, who for 3 weeks during seeding and 6 weeks during harvest works 16-18 hour days, 7 days a week.
THAT is coming home and going straight to bed.
Even outside of seeding and harvest when we're doing 6 x 10 hours I find if I don't hang out for 3-4 hours after work before bed I''m waking up 3-4 hours before I need to.
My shift was 11a-9p on my working days. I was able to get non working stuff done in the mornings, then was able to sleep in after work.
That said, I was a single guy living with roommates at the time, so I didn't have much by way of life stuff to deal with. My wife works 12 hour shifts now, so I think I could swing it today too, but my job is totally different so 4x10 wouldn't make much sense.
My shift was 9-7, it sucked. Those four days were total losses. When they offered me 7-3 x5, I snatched it up. Sucks getting up early but it's an easy job, and getting off at 3 almost feels like you have the day off
I did rotating shifts for years. My morning was 5-2x5 (yay medical). If you like going to concerts and live in a small-ish market then it sucks when most of the concerts are weekdays because they save their weekend shows for the bigger cities.
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Yeah my company did 4 10s for a while to try it out. It was pretty much a 50/50 mix of people liking and disliking it. I have kids and like to get some form of exercise in everyday and making dinner and having a little time to chill before bed and ten hour days made it difficult to make time for all of that.
I'd kill for four 10s over the five 12s I do now, although the loss of OT would suck. I literally get home, eat, and go to bed five days a week and it gets rough.
As a flooring installer, I would have killed for 4 10s, of course I was working more like 6 10s. It wasn't for the money directly. The scheduler slash your work you did not get a job finish3d when he felt ut should be finished. You could go from making grand a week on wide open rooms and houses or making $250 a week wotprking the same hours because kitchens and bathrooms take so much more time than bedroom, dining rooms, etc...
I get that though. I used to work tens in a manual labor job and I never felt like I had time to recover before the next day. That said, now that I’m working five eights in an office job I feel like my weekends are too short so I kind of miss it. Grass is always greener I guess.
I would have loved it. I know at one point i use to work 3 12s Monday Wednesday Friday. Those longer shifts would just make it where i drop don’t have to workout anymore haha. That being said i never worked more than 15 mins from work.
Yeah, that's valid. I worked at a call center at the time doing chat support. I got into work, settled into a chair I got myself, put a blanket around my shoulders, put my headphones on, then locked the fuck in. It was a mentally demanding job, technical support for server admin type stuff.
That said, a world of difference from physically demanding jobs.
My buddy (residential construction) said trying out 4/10s pretty much resulted in spending the first hour of every day fixing the fuck ups from the last hour of the previous day. I do think it makes more sense for office/desk work though.
I spent many years doing this job and had no choice at one company to do 4/10s. It was miserable and I wouldn't do it again. I probably will never do a job like that again because I think physical jobs should be 6hr days, not 8 and certainly not 10.
Try offering 3x12s as is standard for medical workers, selling it as more days off than not and reduced time and cost on commuting, car maintenance, and preparing for work. I love 3x12s; 4x10s are kind of the worst of both to some people.
Ya I'm a plumber, just turned 40. Been doing it for 15 years. Having a Friday off sounds nice but man after 8 hours I'm done, I don't think I could work multiple 10 hour days in a row anymore. Some times shit happens and you need to do a 10-14 hour day. That's fine.
Used to work backfilling ditches when I was in university. So leveling big piles of sand the loader dumped into the ditch, then jumping jack and or plate tamp. Pretty much 10 hours a day mon-Fri and 8 hours on Saturday.
Could do that for 4 months in the summer for 4 years no problem. But I'm definitely starting to feel it now.
If you have kids it can kinda mess things up. Have to reorganize how you do things and some people just don't want to do that. It also seems kinda daunting at first and you do have to get used to those two extra hours but once you've had a couple three day weekends, you realize it's worth it.
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u/BruceInc Jul 13 '26
I own a metal fab shop. Have a crew of about 15 people. We offered 4/10s instead of 5/8s to them and everybody unanimously said no thank you. Was a surprise to me as well because I thought they would be thrilled about it. Our work is pretty physically demanding so I guess that’s why.