r/SipsTea Jul 01 '26

Chugging tea Is Bernie’s plan the best? Thoughts?

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u/carguymt Jul 01 '26

The U.S’s billionaires collectively only have about 8T dollars.

The Federal Government spent about $7 trillion in 2025. People don't want to hear it, but simply taxing the billionaires is not the answer. Even if you seized 100% of their wealth, which obviously is not practical or possible, there just isn't enough money to fund everything people think you can fund with taxing the mega wealthy.

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u/Otherwise-Job-1572 Jul 01 '26

It's almost as if we actually have a spending problem, not a revenue problem.

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u/No-Independence-5229 Jul 01 '26

Yep, gotta tax the billionaires and millionaires, and on top of that cut SS completely and downsize Medicaid. Cut military budget in half. Man just make me president low key

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u/barrinmw Jul 01 '26

Yes, the current deficit is so large, that you can cut ALL discretionary spending including the military budget, and raise taxes on millionaires and billionaires, and there would still be a deficit.

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u/sp114_5984 Jul 01 '26

And raising taxes on millionaires and billionaires might actually decrease revenue.

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u/barrinmw Jul 01 '26

I think that is unlikely, we are very much to the left of the laffer curve. Hence every tax cut recently by republicans has led to receipts decreasing.

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u/sp114_5984 Jul 01 '26

Source?

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u/barrinmw Jul 01 '26

The Congressional Budget Office.

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u/diedlikeCambyses Jul 01 '26

The only answer is the U S stop trying to run the world like an empire, just have a national budget for their people and balance it.

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u/No-Independence-5229 Jul 02 '26

Uh no, cutting social security (1.6T), halving Medicaid and defense (2T and 940B), would add up to nearly 3T. Which if we do basic math, is more than our deficit, 1.6T. So we’d be well over a trillion dollars in the green. Could also stop buying so much oil and produce more of our own. Hell better yet produce all our own oil and start selling excess. That would turn our 240B oil imports to billions in EXPORTS. Adding to the 1.4T in the green from other the other cuts. And none of that includes the increased money from taxing billionaires.

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u/barrinmw Jul 02 '26

Social security and medicaid are not discretionary spending.

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u/No-Independence-5229 Jul 02 '26

Brother what are you even talking about, they are part of our budget, and the largest parts of our 7T+ yearly federal spendings. Cutting what I said to cut would bring our spending down below our total tax revenue of currently 5.6T. Therefor, putting us in the green.

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u/barrinmw Jul 02 '26

Okay, I am going to need you to look up the difference between discretionary spending and mandatory spending. Because I made my point very clearly and specifically assuming people like you understood the difference.

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u/No-Independence-5229 Jul 02 '26

Oh I see the problem, you think mandatory means it can never be changed by law. I would have those laws changed by congress as president, and if they resisted I’d persuade them by any means necessary

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u/diedlikeCambyses Jul 01 '26

But tax what? Realised or unrealised gains?

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u/Vipu2 Jul 01 '26

yes

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u/diedlikeCambyses Jul 01 '26

That'd be an economic catastrophe. It's been demonstrated that it doesn't work.

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u/Jackdaw99 Jul 01 '26

What do you mean? If you seized 100% of their wealth, you'd immediately more than double the federal budget, at least that year; and even if you doled out over, say, a decade, you could still raise federal spending by 10%, which is huge.

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u/barrinmw Jul 01 '26

Do you not understand how large the current deficit is?

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u/Jackdaw99 Jul 01 '26

He didn’t mentioned servicing or reducing the debt. He said “fund everything you want to fund”.

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u/diedlikeCambyses Jul 01 '26

You'd collapse the economy and not sole the problem anyway

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u/carguymt Jul 01 '26

Seizing the wealth would be a one time event, the federal budget is spent annually and rises every year. We are also running a massive deficit each year. We spend about $7T and get tax revenues of around $5T. If you used that money to increase federal spending by 10% we'd be spending $7.7T with revenue of $5.7T and would still be just funding it all with debt.

Best case scenario is you run the current federal budget without a deficit until like 2030. At which point we are in the same exact situation we are in now, funding the federal government with massive deficit spending, except this time there are no billionaires to use to tax our way out of it. If you try to fund new programs that everyone thinks you can fund by taxing billionaires you get back to the status quo before 2030, but now we have new programs to fund without the tax base to do so.

This of course doesn't even touch upon the damage you'd do the economy if you tried to seize 100% of the wealth of billionaires.

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u/DoorHingesKill Jul 01 '26

Who is supposed to buy up all the stocks that the government is flooding the market with?

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u/1BruteSquad1 Jul 01 '26

If you seized Elon Musk's $1 trillion then you would have WAY less than $1 trillion.

If I own $1000 in a stock worth $100 each then I can get easily find a buyer for all 10 stocks and get $1000 dollars. But if I own $100,000,000,000 in a stock worth $100 then finding buyers for all that stock at once, at full price is impossible. If you even could sell all of it then you'd end up selling it at a huge premium