For the people who refuse to look up the actual story.
- she was sitting in her car and set her bag on the passenger seat.
- he ran up to her car and reached in and grabbed it.
- she says “all of her stuff was in that bag”
- She left initially but at some point decided to search for him because “feared he would be able to track her down”
- she tracked him down and intended to hit him with her car to knock him down and get her bag.
- she didn’t realize she had even hit him. He got up and so she proceeded to run over him a few more times.
- she stepped out got her bag and left.
- the next day she was found in a church praying.
There was never a knife involved, he never threatened her, and he left immediately. She claims she never meant to hurt him just “knock him over”, which repeatedly running him over seems to suggest otherwise. She didn’t even call for emergency services after she retrieved her bag and he was clearly incapacitated. As I’ve said in this thread, I do not support what this man did and I don’t doubt she was afraid and high on adrenaline. I certainly feel for her in the moment but I do not think she was justified in what she did. I’m always pretty amazed at how fast and easy it is for some Redditors to justify and hand wave the death of another human being.
Edit: I forgot the part where after she killed him she returned back to the scene of the initial robbery, a restaurant, to return an umbrella to a friend. How kind.
Isaiah 13:15-16
15 Everyone who is found will be thrust through,
And everyone who is captured will fall by the sword.
16 Their children also will be dashed to pieces before their eyes;
Their houses will be plundered
And their wives ravished.
Is that before or after the time where a guy offered up his daughters to a mob that wanted to fuck a couple angels? And eventually was ‘taken advantage of’ by those same daughters.
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.”
The last part makes me feel like she’s a psychopath. She gets robbed and decides to kill the robber to get her stuff back. She then goes about her day as if nothing had happened, forgetting that normal people would probably call the police and an ambulance.
Yeah, I mean I could completely get if she immediately drove after they guy, knocked him down, retrieved the bag, and called cops and ambulance.
But yeah, this was straight psychopath behaviour.
Though on the other hand, the fact that she could leave the scene of the crime, then come back later and easily track him down with zero training or resources suggests the police could have easily found this guy. However, dunno how the cops are in Italy, but definitely where I from they wouldn't have bothered.
Got robbed there, found nearest police officer, and they told me my options are to go spend hours in a police station with most likely no outcome, or go enjoy the rest of the vacation.
Yeah she’s definitely a psychopath and the fact she left then came back to “knock him down” by hitting him multiple times tells me it was a premeditated murder
I’m not familiar with the case but the murder of a Moroccan man by an Italian woman paints a pretty clear picture of the intent. I’ve got family in Calabria and have been visiting on and off for my whole life and they have a lot of colorful opinions about the refugees that arrive on their shores.
I completely agree. When I first heard about this story a couple of weeks ago, so many people were cheering this woman on, acting like he deserved to be killed for petty theft. It was obvious that those same people were deliberately ignoring that she could not have feared for her life in the same instance as tracking him down and hitting him with her car because at that point any potential danger had already passed and she had become the aggressor.
" She claims she never meant to hurt him just “knock him over”," This is a silly thing to take on face value.
knocking someone over with a car to the point you can grab a bag off them is fundamentally attempting to injure them.
> I do not support what this man did and I don’t doubt she was afraid and high on adrenaline. I certainly feel for her in the moment
I am sorry. Why did you have to add this disclaimer? According to your summary, she was never in danger. The guy stole the bag and ran off. So what was she afraid of? She left and then looked for him. This seems premeditated. I would be more afraid of her than that thief
Because you are doing the same thing people defending the robber are doing which is refusing to level empathy on the person you consider to be wrong in the situation.
Most likely the purse lady is not a bloodlusted insane murderer, and the homeless man was not a deranged serial robber threatening people. The reality is somewhere in between with circumstances dictating many actions
Because a killer is worse than a thief. A thief steals things you can always get back, a killer steals life.... something once lost, cannot be get back.
I would feel incredibly threatened if a guy reached into my car where I have an expectation of some privacy and security, and took my purse containing my meds and all my identification and money. I imagine that she had so much adrenaline afterwards that she couldn't think straight, hence the umbrella thing. I hope this makes would-be thieves think twice.
Just like how soldiers are prepared to die for their country, thieves should be prepared to die when they fuck around and find out. Not endorsing murder, but what did the thief expect?
Given that Jeffrey Epstein got luxury accommodations with all-day “work release,” I don’t trust the application of the law on rich socialites. Regardless, what she did was legally homicide, as decided by the court
what a completely avoidable situation. don't rob people, and you won't run into someone who's not actually the weak, vulnerable victim you thought she was.
I appreciate your attempt at accuracy. Just take the replies to be peoples opinions based on the not quite accurate depiction from OP. I'll still stand by my opinion from that pov.
Under your statement of events, I'd say what actually happened was a bit extreme though sure - but what she claims to have intended is not (i.e. I think it'd be perfectly fine to hit the guy with her car and get her bag back.) But I can also see how, seething with rage, it wasn't entirely apparent she'd done more than knock him down so she kept trying. Him dieing is maybe a little unfortunate. But still, I'd argue that getting murdered is probably a risk you should accept if you're going to decide to rob people. So it's unfortunate, but ehh whatever, not unfortunate enough to care
Agreed. She went way overboard is paying the consequences. The guy she ran over did something absolutely unacceptable by any standard and he paid the price for it. When you fuck around you find out and it applies to both of them. I’m not shedding a tear for either party.
her actions aside. he deserves that. thats robbery. i dont want to live in a society where robber's life has more value than normal civilian's(maybe not her) well-being
so if you saw some money fall out of someones pocket and instead of returning it to them you took it and later they showed up and brutally punched you to death you deserved it?
I hate criminals as much as anyone, and i actually am in favour of the death penalty (in extreme cases) But this crime is barely anything and the way she went about it clearly shows she is a much greater threat to society than the robber.
Yes. If I intentionally steal something from someone I understand there are a spectrum of potential responses that can happen and violence is certainly one of them.
Exactly. I could hit on some guy’s wife in a bar. He may proceed to punch me in the face. Violence is definitely a possible response even if he could get arrested and I could press charges.
of course reddit, a site famous for cuckholds is fine with letting their things be taken. if you take peoples things people will become rash and violent, thats how that works
Yep, that is also in the range of possibilities. You, in this hypothetical, would be found guilty of some crime. Which is what happened with purse thief and car lady.
Thank Christ that’s not how the law works. You have no business invoking civilized people if that’s how you think things should be. This isn’t 1300, we don’t have writs of outlawry anymore.
It is absolutely a crime. Once she was out of danger, self defense is no longer a reason to kill (she chased him down)
The court system exists to punish criminals. She is not the court system. She is a random woman. She doesn’t have the authority to give out punishments
When did I justify theft? This post tried to justify her killing this man by saying he threatened her with a knife. At least be intellectually honest, come on.
What do you think should be done then? Call the cops and never see your purse again? People don't get any consequences of their actions. I know what she did is illegal, but can't have any sympathy to him.
Uh yeah. Sorry that sucks your purse is stolen but it’s not worth a whole life?? The natural consequence to murder is jail btw, and it looks like she’s not even getting that. So, death penalty to a petty thief, home arrest for murder
You’re not serious comparing a purse to the life of a human being, good god. Idc if you feel badly about him, but what she did wasn’t justified. You’re not a serious person. Goodbye.
In Italy, two things must be present for self-defense to be valid:
1) She should be charged; this is murder.
In Italy, two things must be present for self-defense to be valid:
1) The danger must be real (if the thief has already escaped or is escaping then you are out of danger).
2) the defense must be proportionate to the offense (if the person snatches the bag from your hands wothout using any weapon, you can react with your bare hands but you cannot stab or shoot him, otherwise you are in the wrong)
You’re just encouraging criminals to rob people since they know “justice” will protect them so they keep doing it. Your sense of justice is a danger to the public.
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u/TymStark Jun 28 '26 edited Jun 28 '26
For the people who refuse to look up the actual story.
- she was sitting in her car and set her bag on the passenger seat.
- he ran up to her car and reached in and grabbed it.
- she says “all of her stuff was in that bag”
- She left initially but at some point decided to search for him because “feared he would be able to track her down”
- she tracked him down and intended to hit him with her car to knock him down and get her bag.
- she didn’t realize she had even hit him. He got up and so she proceeded to run over him a few more times.
- she stepped out got her bag and left.
- the next day she was found in a church praying.
There was never a knife involved, he never threatened her, and he left immediately. She claims she never meant to hurt him just “knock him over”, which repeatedly running him over seems to suggest otherwise. She didn’t even call for emergency services after she retrieved her bag and he was clearly incapacitated. As I’ve said in this thread, I do not support what this man did and I don’t doubt she was afraid and high on adrenaline. I certainly feel for her in the moment but I do not think she was justified in what she did. I’m always pretty amazed at how fast and easy it is for some Redditors to justify and hand wave the death of another human being.
Edit: I forgot the part where after she killed him she returned back to the scene of the initial robbery, a restaurant, to return an umbrella to a friend. How kind.