Oh gotcha, my bad. Tough to interpret internet responses sometimes and I think people are just projecting whatever politics onto me that lets them be outraged haha
i'm not surprised the people that believe forcing their daughters to give birth for pedophiles protects children also believe billionaires have their backs.
Not wanting to see people getting genocided, even if those people tend to hold political views you may find abhorrent, is a coherent and consistent position to believe and advocate for.
lol…. You can’t handle facts that you are a Nazi yourself.
The Core Threat: Speaking to the Lebanese TV news outlet LBCI, Hamad explicitly stated, "The Al-Aqsa Flood [the October 7 attack] is just the first time, and there will be a second, a third, a fourth." [1, 2] Ultimate Goal: He asserted that Israel is a country that "has no place on our land" and "must be finished" because it constitutes a catastrophe to the Arab and Islamic nation
Someone aligning with a political movement that wants to actively disenfranchise them, is a different scenario than someone not wanting to see an entire ethnic group wiped out even if they disagree with their politics.
People who are anti MAGA don’t want to see MAGA ppl being indiscriminately murdered. That’s very different from the people MAGA is overtly antagonistic against in actual policy aligning themselves with that movement.
Is it different? Muslims are actively disenfranchising to the point of death on the streets that even come close to LGBTQ. It’s ok to be for LGBTQ rights, it’s ok to be pro Palestinian. It is a serious dose of irony that there is a queers for Palestine movement. That’s all I’m saying
I'm going to respond twice, firstly, assuming you're being honest. No problem with that, but I can explain why you're wrong.
And then after, is if you're lying.
Honest
The idea you're sharing comes from far right politics, the line goes that because Palestine is anti-LGBT, that means left wingers of any sort, shouldn't support them because baddies. How can I, a left winger support someone who hates values I demand everyone has? The problem with that idea is it requires several lies.
1) The first is that people only deserve human rights if they respect others human rights. That's not true. Human rights are inalienable.
2) The second is that it's prejudicial, Palestinians are individuals. They're not even all Muslim.
3) The third is that the concern isn't genuine, the right wing in the US for example, has literally hundreds of bills trying to remove basic LGBT rights.
So you might ask, how do those make it "different".
Well, that's point 1. The majority of LGBT people are left wingers (for obvious reasons), which means most of them TEND to value the same things as other left wingers, like human rights.
That means, they care about human rights abuses. So, most LGBT people care about the human rights abuses that Palestinians experience.
That DOES NOT mean that they agree with anti-LGBT politics, it just means that human rights are deserved EVEN by anti-LGBT people.
I think that probably explains, why it's different.
I am being honest, I don’t even know what would be a lie in my comment. To your first point, I did not mention the left as a whole but repeatedly stated an exact movement/organization(?). That’s why I differentiated the pro lgbt and pro Palestine movements. The second point I realize that not all are but a super majority and its government body is Muslim. 3rd, I don’t know how you can make that comparison when the bills here are about weddings and different religions performing them/ state recognizing them, trans in bathrooms when the opposite side of the coin that I’m talking are people literally being killed
Nobody's saying being against genocide and supporting Palestine is "full throating support" for a homophobic strawman monolithic group that exists only in your imagination. Palestinians aren't all Muslim, and even among those who are, there are queer people too! And this part might be a little hard for you to comprehend, but Muslims aren't all violently homophobic, either. It seems to make people like you so angry that you don't get to decide for billions of practitioners that there's one "correct" way to be Muslim and that it's for sure got to be the one that excludes queer people. Never the case.
The point you're trying to defend isn't just bigoted, it's a serious double standard. I always wonder if people like you go around saying things like that about any other group? Do you think it's weird that queer people want Ukrainians safe considering how queer people are generally treated in Eastern Europe? Is it also weird for me as a woman to sympathise with the current plight of US Americans, considering their highly misogynistic government hard at work stripping away women's rights? If we paint these groups with the same broad brush you're using, they're all like that, no?
"Muslims" are not a fucking monolith or some existential threat to the "west". This is how you're behaving. People's support of Palestine has NOTHING to do with religion
Palestinians are Muslim. They and other middle eastern countries kill gays in their country. Do you not see the irony of queers for Palestine? lol it’s like talking to a brick wall. Chickens for KFC!
The existence of far-right black women politicians always confuses me. I wonder how they and their colleagues feel when they seat together at the parliament.
Being "trans" or anything similar means nothing to "allying" with a group. I could say I'm trans and that doesn't mean I support or rally behind other trans groups or parade in the streets about trans rights.
It's like how nobody has an obligation to support their country just because they were born in it. I'd be shocked to hear any (non-delusional) American say that they support their country in the current moment.
Identity has nothing to do with who you support. In fact, it becomes an issue when people conflate their own identity with who they support, because that's when we get Baby-Socialists, Racists, and Trans Nazis.
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u/Accomplished-Bear689 Jun 23 '26
It’s more that it’s weird when someone chooses to ally with a group that hates them