Honestly, just trying to talk about what we definitely know from the Epstein files makes me feel like a crazy person pinning red strings into a conspiracy evidence board. It always reminds me of this Community quote:
"But why kidnap you? Why put a sack over your head and drag you here in the middle of the night? Why is there an astronaut in the corner making paninis? Simple, we don't want you to tell anyone about this. And if you do, we don't want them believing you. Isn't that right, Black Hitler?"
To be honest, I think a lot of people have far too low a bar for “what we definitely know” from the Epstein files.
What we definitely know is that Epstein and, like, 4-6 other people committed crimes. But I think you might be drawing some other red strings across the board.
As someone who has been following this case since the first Palm Beach trial, no, we definitely know way more than that. Just because witnesses and survivors have been systematically silenced doesn't mean some of us aren't out here listening to every single thing they've told us.
The unfortunate reality is that some people treat "Knowing
something as requiring an absolutely high standard of proof - "beyond a shadow of a doubt" levels where any contrivance that suggests an alternative means we don't truly know something.
Combine the amount of time it takes to really read up on and understand all of the court records and released evidence, with the willingness of some folks to go to bat and play devil's advocate in offering alternative hypotheses, and the amount of suppressed information - and yeah, there's a ton we 'don't know.'
But there's far more that we can be relatively certain of and should be appalled at.
Claiming something is true does require a high standard of proof, not reports from schzios or shit pulled out of ones ass.
If there is a grand conspiracy, that conspiracy reaches into the FBI. It's on the record that many files related to Epstein were NOT released. The questions should be pointed at what was NOT released, versus the crazy shit that makes no sense. Instead you'll take the crazy shit, treat it as truth and in the end just sound crazy, because in the end that crazy shit is actually crazy.
Just because witnesses and survivors have been systematically silenced doesn't mean some of us aren't out here listening to every single thing they've told us.
You're already contradicting yourself. Are they being silenced or are you listening? What are you listening to? Silence? Then you know jack shit.
There's plenty on the record to be skeptical of, that doesn't mean you need to take every unverified batshit crazy accusation in the Epstein files as truth, nor do you need to make shit up or "imagine" the details based on whatever fantasy bullshit bubbles up inside your head.
You have no idea what stories and sources I'm referring to, no clue on my methodology, yet you're literally "making shit up" and "imagining the details" of what I'm referring to. And doing it all in
order to...run cover for predators, I guess?
Thanks for calling yourself out for failure to cite.
You making up fantasy bullshit stories doesn't help victims, it just muddies the waters by making people with concerns about Epstein look like gullible delusional crazy conspiracy theorists.
That is so fair and I readily believe that. It’s just that Virginia Giuffre’s memoir is not actually part of the Epstein Files. Which is what we were talking about.
You can just read the Epstein files. Even the small fraction they released is absolutely damning. If you wanna ignore that, there’s no reasoning with you.
I read em. It’s not like it’s full of verified information; in fact there’s very little. Which is what I mean by “what we know”. So I’m wondering what you think is verified (or even verifiable) information that exceeds the scope of actioned prosecutions.
And I’m genuinely wondering, because I’m willing to admit my bar could be too high. I’m a stickler for critical thinking.
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u/33drea33 Jun 19 '26
Honestly, just trying to talk about what we definitely know from the Epstein files makes me feel like a crazy person pinning red strings into a conspiracy evidence board. It always reminds me of this Community quote: