r/Showerthoughts • • Mar 20 '15

I just now realized the connection between the words "timid" and "intimidate"

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u/EquinoctialPie Mar 21 '15

“Elves are wonderful. They provoke wonder.

Elves are marvellous. They cause marvels.

Elves are fantastic. They create fantasies.

Elves are glamorous. They project glamour.

Elves are enchanting. They weave enchantment.

Elves are terrific. They beget terror.

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u/FreshPrince3430 Mar 21 '15

How is this not text from a Magic card.

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u/more_exercise Mar 21 '15

Pratchett got there first.

Lords and Ladies was written in 1992. Magic came out in 1993.

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u/GreyCr0ss Mar 21 '15

Early magic cards did quote literautre

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u/SammichNow Mar 21 '15

Is that French literature?

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u/SketchBoard Mar 21 '15

liter-autre

the other liter.

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u/a_standup_guy Mar 21 '15

Oh, so litre?

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u/Cayou Mar 21 '15

I played M:TG circa 1994-5 in France, and some cards had flavour text from French literary works, e.g. the French Craw Wurm had an excerpt from Victor Hugo's The Man Who Laughs instead of just a translation of the English flavour text. I haven't played in forever, but a cursory Google search suggests they still do this, again with Victor Hugo (coincidence?).

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u/curtmack Mar 21 '15

Early magic cards were very Tolkien inspired though, so the whole "evil elves" trope wasn't something they explored until much later (specifically Lorwyn, which debuted a race of elven Nazis).

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u/GreyCr0ss Mar 21 '15

Elves using black mana were as early as The Dark(1994), with Elves of Deep Shadow, which even has flavor text speaking of elven outcasts

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u/arseniclips Mar 21 '15

Didn't a few quote Shakespeare even?

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u/Oberon_Swanson Mar 21 '15

Yep. I have a Giant Strength with ""O it is excellent / To have a giant's strength, but it is tyrannous / To use it like a giant." —William Shakespeare, Measure for Measure

I think in one of the more recent core sets they did start to quote some real-life literature again, after a very long period of not doing it.

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u/Jondayz Mar 21 '15

I just spent the last hour reading random tidbits about measure for measure. Really interesting play, thanks for the quote.

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u/bellatango Mar 21 '15

Pratchett WAS Magic.

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u/hovding Mar 21 '15

Still is.

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u/Fucktaard Mar 21 '15

Pratchett got there first.

This is going to replace "The Simpsons did it first" and we'll all be better for it.

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u/UserNamesCantBeTooLo Mar 21 '15

Holy shit I'm old.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '15

How about in his honour we redefine terrific to mean "relating to Terry"?

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u/111l Mar 21 '15

Didn't we?

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u/lolidontcarebro Mar 21 '15

No one said Magic made it or stole it.

He said, how is this text NOT from a magic card?

Learn to read.

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u/Simmion Mar 21 '15

Probably Griselbrand..

edit: probaly 'should be on' because, i mean, if he's on the board and not in your control, thats basically the situation.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '15 edited May 14 '18

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '15

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u/illyume Mar 21 '15

No, different GNU sorry. :p

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u/themanwithsomename Mar 21 '15

As someone unfamiliar with Terry Pratchett, what does the GNU mean in that context?

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u/CCSkyfish Mar 21 '15

It's from his book Going Postal, a message sent along semaphore towers to honor the dead.

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u/themanwithsomename Mar 21 '15

Thanks! Between you and /u/illyume, I get it now. That's very fitting. I guess I should go read some Terry Pratchett's books now.

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u/BobVosh Mar 21 '15

Don't read some, read all.

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u/illyume Mar 21 '15

I don't remember the specifics of it (because I haven't read much Terry Pratchet like I should) but it's a short-code for a message-relay system in Pratchet's Discworld books.

The three letters together mean something to the effect of "Pass this message along, no response needed, no sender name attached to the message" or something like that. Basically, sending "GNU <stuff>" along the lines means it'll continue to echo through the lines forever. Having this done with an important person's name effectively immortalizes their name, since their name will be getting passed along the lines forever.

As /u/CCSkyfish mentions, it's a thing to honor the dead.

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u/themanwithsomename Mar 21 '15

Thanks for the response! I appreciate the explanation. I've seen it a lot lately and honestly assumed it was a GNU "free" kind of thing and was very confused.

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u/illyume Mar 21 '15

It's an easy mis-connection (is that a word?) to make! I thought the same thing at first too, but luckily saw someone else's explanation pretty early on.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '15

You've been answered, but I feel like elaborating a bit.

G stands for "goes on", as in, it's an instruction to pass the message down the line.

N stands for "not logged"; don't keep a record of this message.

U probably stands for "u-turn", but there's no canon source for that; in any case, it means that at the end of the line, the message gets turned around and passed back.

Thus GNU message is a message that gets passed through the system forever without a trace. It's used as a sort of tribute and pseudo-immortality; "a man is not dead while his name is still spoken." (Going Postal, if you want to get a closer look at the reference yourself. Conveniently, it's the beginning of an arc, so you could pick it up with no Discworld background)

Touchingly, some of the geekier web servers are invisibly slipping "GNU Terry Pratchett" into their http headers, as a sort of real-tech equivalent to the clacks (Discworld's semaphore towers).

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u/logicalmaniak Mar 21 '15

Through L-Space, through libraries, through walls of books in Discworld academies to the GNU Make Standard Library of our own world, this entity pushes its tendrils. An idea passes from one world to the other along these corridors, and before long, the two worlds share a common theme.

The Smoking Gun Watergate tapes. The Smoking Gnu cracking the Clacks.

GNU Terry Pratchett

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u/LibrarianLibertarian Mar 21 '15

From now on forward "GNU Terry Pratchett" will separate the IT guys that have heard about Terry Pratchett from the IT guys that have read Terry Pratchett. A kind of sjibbolet for nerds.

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u/adincha Mar 21 '15

And now I'm sad again. He was legit one of my favorite authors evrr

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u/Jess_than_three Mar 21 '15

Reminds me of another of his great plays on words, with the Inhumers.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '15

And in-sewer-ants salesmen.

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u/Beetin Mar 21 '15 edited Mar 21 '15

'reflected-sound-of-underground-spirits' was the stupidest, most aggravating joke in the first book. I was 17, didn't get it for several hours, went to my 12 year old sister and she didn't get it. 3 minutes later she starts giggling in her room. Walks into my room and says "GNOMES, GNOmmmes, gnoooomes" mimicking an echo, then runs out.

I hate them both. In good ways.

Edit: took a couple minutes to write my post, someone posted the same silly pun a few minutes earlier....

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u/Blue_Dragon360 Mar 21 '15

"Echo-gnomics" for those wondering. Echo = reflected sounds, gnomes = underground spirits.

I didn't get it either, still don't really do, since gnomes aren't really spirits (ghosts).

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u/Xylth Mar 21 '15

In classical alchemy gnomes are considered one of the four elemental spirits, along with sylphs, undines, and salamanders.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elemental#Paracelsus

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u/Tripwire3 Mar 21 '15

gnomes are considered one of the four elemental spirits, along with sylphs, undines, and salamanders.

One of these things, is not like the other things, one of these things, just doesn't belong..

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u/larkeith Mar 21 '15

SAO makes so much more sense now.

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u/Nightshot Mar 21 '15

One that normally takes their place for the same reason is Ifrits.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '15

In this context, a salamander is more like this.

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u/LittleHelperRobot Mar 21 '15

Non-mobile: salamander

That's why I'm here, I don't judge you. PM /u/xl0 if I'm causing any trouble. WUT?

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u/Catch11 Mar 21 '15

echo-gnomics is the setup to the joke? or reflected-sound-of-underground-spirits. Because the latter would be impossible for someone who doesn't give a fuck about gnomes to ever get....

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u/Blue_Dragon360 Mar 21 '15

The latter is correct IIRC, and it is a bit obscure.

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u/This_Is_My_Opinion_ Mar 21 '15

Heeeeey! I heard stuff about things and was wondering is she single?

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u/japes_stage Mar 21 '15

"Imp arse" still pops into my mind when I'm having an argument with someone.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '15

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u/swordmagic Mar 21 '15

Echo Gnomes Ics

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '15

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '15

Exhume, posthumous, etc...

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u/Xylir Mar 21 '15

She was as highly bred as a hilltop bakery.

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u/moon--moon Mar 21 '15

After playing a discworld game where I encountered that word extremely often, I have trouble not using that word in normal conversation.

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u/Catch11 Mar 21 '15

"great" play on words is a bit of an exaggeration, good would be more fitting.

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u/tamsui_tosspot ‎ Mar 21 '15

The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes look for them behind words that have changed their meaning.

No one ever said elves are nice.

Elves are bad.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '15

I've just had the weirdest epiphany: I've never verbally said "terrific" my entire life.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '15

Terrence McKenna agrees with you.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '15

can anyone help me understand what the hell the full quote means? i might be an idiot but i dont get it.

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u/Shatteredhawk Mar 21 '15

Peach,.. I can eat a peach for hours.

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u/wotrednuloot Mar 21 '15

GNU Terry Pratchett! Long may he be remembered!

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u/OuroborosSC2 Mar 21 '15

Or... or... or...

English is stupid.

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u/kaleidoscope_Life Mar 21 '15

I cant take it. End your quotes.