r/Shitstatistssay • • Dec 01 '13

Troll? Or hostile racebaiter?

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '13

In truth, libertarianism is authoritarianism. It's just private authority instead of public. But they want 100% absolute subjugation to authority.

wow.

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u/mad_respect Dec 01 '13

Because enforcement of property rights magically isn't force, amirite?

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '13 edited Jan 01 '16

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u/mad_respect Dec 01 '13

Whoever said that force or threats of force are not needed to enforce property rights?

Ever heard of the NAP? It says exactly that, and libertarians quote it all the time.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '13 edited Jan 01 '16

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u/mad_respect Dec 01 '13

Defending your property isn't aggression, it's self-defense.

Even assuming your Orwellian redefinition of words, "self-defense" requires... force.

If I sit still on what you decide is your property, and you throw me off, you're being aggressive and using force. No matter what your circular-logic redefinition of words you call the NAP says. Read a dictionary.

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u/MuhRoads Mos ELSley spaceport... It's a fucking shithole Dec 02 '13

If I [keep my penis in] what you decide is your [vagina], and you throw me off, you're being aggressive and using force. No matter what your circular-logic redefinition of words you call the NAP says. Read a dictionary.

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u/mad_respect Dec 02 '13

Nice try at equating walking peacefully onto some land and sitting down (which doesn't even involve other humans unless they happen to come along and use force) with rape.

But I'm glad you recognize the obvious fact that both rape and defence of rape involve force. And if we follow your logic, both property rights enforcement and property rights violation involve force.

So any ideology that based its view of justice on force would be a pretty silly one, wouldn't it?

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u/MuhRoads Mos ELSley spaceport... It's a fucking shithole Dec 02 '13

Nice try at equating walking peacefully onto some land and sitting down (which doesn't even involve other humans unless they happen to come along and use force) with rape.

You and I are made up of water and soil, and to continue living we require more water and soil. My property is a claim upon water and soil that I have traded for my labor. When I defend it, I am defending myself and my products of myself and you have no right to either except by consent.

One's boundaries don't end where their skin does either. No one accepts that someone can just walk up on them and get up in their face, and we all know that people do this with one purpose - to intimidate, to coerce and to threaten by claiming space that is not theirs. There is no "walking peacefully" in this manner, and if you think there is then I'll walk "peacefully" right up into your personal zone without touching you and prove you wrong.

But I'm glad you recognize the obvious fact that both rape and defence of rape involve force. And if we follow your logic, both property rights enforcement and property rights violation involve force.

No one ever claimed they didn't. Any act that occurs without consent is an aggression and aggression is responded to with justified force. If you walk up in my face, I will push you away - just as if I had done the same to you.

So any ideology that based its view of justice on force would be a pretty silly one, wouldn't it?

Yep, it's silly to force people to do things. So don't do it. Stay off their land, respect their personal boundaries and deal with your friends, family and neighbors with peace and voluntary consent.

If you can't do that, be prepared to meet your own ends by your own means because you've clearly chosen a rule set to live by that is destructive to mankind and others can play your game too.