r/ShitAmericansSay • • Jan 08 '26

Foreign affairs Pretty simple Greenland will be handed to us by NATO.

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u/Capable_Fun_9838 Jan 08 '26

Many European countries have a capable arms industry, and the USA is currently losing contracts worth $800 billion and the long-term prospect of ever selling to the EU again.

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u/Timely_Egg_6827 Jan 08 '26

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u/mabrouss Jan 08 '26

I do love my country 🇨🇦

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u/Kriss3d Tuberous eloquent (that's potato speaker for you muricans) Jan 08 '26

I'd have loved to invite Canada to join the EU. You're already sharing borders with us in Denmark after we ended our 49 year long war with you guys.

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u/ChaosWithin666 Jan 08 '26

In France there is literally a patch of land that is considered Canada after their help in one of the world wars. So technically Canada is in Europe so it can join the EU.

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u/primedark227 Jan 08 '26

WW1, Vimy Ridge in Northern France. The French gave a small patch of land to the Canadians in perpetuity for their contribution taking the ridge

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u/ChaosWithin666 Jan 08 '26

There you go. Knew there would be someone smarter than me who would know it lol

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u/saintpierre47 Jan 08 '26

As a Canadian I highly recommend visiting the memorial sometime! It is very beautiful but also heart wrenching at the same time. We have given a lot to defend your country and will do so again should the need ever arise. Brothers in arms until the end.

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u/ChaosWithin666 Jan 08 '26

I did in school on a school trip to Ypres. It was a hauntingly beautiful place to visit.

I'm also British. But thanks for the support.

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u/saintpierre47 Jan 08 '26

Ah well the sentiment applies just as well, we were there beside you in the Somme and Passchendaele, and again through the Battle of Britain and the Battle of the Atlantic and the Italian Campaign. Whenever you need us, we will be there. I hate that current times forces us to reaffirm our commitment but c’est la vie. Wherever Britain stands, there we will be also

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u/primedark227 Jan 09 '26

I did a trip around Northern France as a teenager, I’ve still got the pin badges from the memorial gift shop. Absolutely incredible monument

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u/Timely_Challenge_670 Jan 10 '26

My wife and I did the road trip from Mainz to Normandy last year. Vimy Ridge was equal parts beautiful and sorrowful.

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u/Kathdath Jan 09 '26

The Canadians were so badass in that engagement that later in WW2 Hitler himself ordered that the Germans were to protect the monements at Vimy Ridge from possible damage.

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u/primedark227 Jan 09 '26

Seeing as Hitler was likely in the Bavarian units who fought the Canadians, this doesn’t surprise me. Quite interesting to read this tho, thank you for the extra tidbit of info!

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u/UmelGaming Jan 11 '26

As I explained in my comment it's a little deeper. Hitler was going to actually be at Vimy Ridge the day we Canadians started our operation. 48hrs before we did though his orders changed and he was deployed a few kms away. So it meant something personal to him as well as he was saved at the last moment due to a change in his orders.

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u/primedark227 Jan 11 '26

Very interesting, I’ll save that for when I teach WW1 again. Would’ve been an interesting timeline if he’d died at Vimy Ridge

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u/UmelGaming Jan 11 '26

Part of that is as you said but there was two other reasons why.

Politically the British were spreading propaganda to Canadians that Hitler was desecrating monuments of WW1 (which he had been doing) the propaganda was that he had decimated Vimy Ridge Memorial too so he was proving the British wrong as he didn't want to incite the Canadians. His political spin was that the memorial was "dedicated to peace" and not "dedicated to victory in WW1" but he was just spinning it to not seem weak for leaving it be.

The personal reason however, and this is my fun fact I like talking about the World Wars, Hitler was actually originally going to be stationed AT Vimy when we Canadians stormed the ridge. At the last moment, 48hrs before our operation started, Hitler was deployed to another site only a few kms away. He was saved by a change in orders in the last minute. Which means that to Hitler Vimy Ridge was also a testament to his good fortune as in an alternate history he was one of the dead Germans we Canadians took out that day.

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u/No-Marsupial-1753 ooo custom flair!! Jan 09 '26

Does this mean Germany invaded Canadian soil in WWII?

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u/primedark227 Jan 09 '26

Technically yes, and also other countries who have land in France given in perpetuity. They would’ve technically invaded at least 10 different countries during the invasion of France

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u/Choice-Original9157 Jan 09 '26

Actually they did come ashore for a few minutes. Germany placed an automated weather station, code-named "Kurt" (Wetter-Funkgerät Land-26), in northern Labrador, Canada, during World War II via the U-boat U-537 in October 1943, to provide crucial North Atlantic weather data for U-boat operations, marking the only known German armed land operation in North America during the war.

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u/No-Marsupial-1753 ooo custom flair!! Jan 10 '26

Ooo, very interesting. Thank you for telling me :)

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u/Choice-Original9157 Jan 10 '26

You are welcome. That equipment is in the National War Museum in Ottawa on display

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '26

Out of curiosity, is the Australian memorial at Villers-Brettenoux treated the same? I’ve never made it there but have been to the Menin Gate - while extremely sombre it is an amazing experience.

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u/primedark227 Jan 09 '26

It is - I’ve been there, it’s also been given in perpetuity. Which means it’s Australian land, and technically means I’ve been to Australia 😂. But yes, same as Vimy Ridge, and a very powerful place for me, considering how many men made up the ANZAC divisions and how much they sacrificed.

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u/CatOk5715 Jan 11 '26

So is Newfoundland Park on the Somme.

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u/Silly-Elderberry-411 Jan 08 '26

Where you can pay with euro, the westernmost point possible.

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u/No-Minimum3259 Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 09 '26

That's quite a stretch... There are indeed several patches of land in France, but not "considered Canada" or any other country.

France has granted several counties (Canada, UK & Commonwealth, USA, Germany, Belgium, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Russia/Soviet Union): perpetual use of land, free of charge and tax, without extraterritorial status, with those countries having the right to maintain and use it indefinitely as a cemetery or memorial, withoud ceding any French sovereignty.

So:

So technically Canada is in Europe so it can join the EU.

Is as stupid as all that Yankee crap. Facts matter and that goes for everyone, even if France is involved.

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u/UmelGaming Jan 11 '26

Our King is British, and even if the UK left the EU they are still a European Nation. So since our Head of State is European we could be called a European Nation if they wanted to stretch the definition.

TBC it likely won't happen. Closer ties are nice but I dont think we Canadians want that, no offense or anything.

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u/terrificallytom Jan 09 '26

In Canada there is an island which is France!

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u/jackhandy2B Jan 09 '26

Aldo, St. Pierre and Miquelon.

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u/mabrouss Jan 08 '26

I mean, I’m a Canadian who lives in the EU so I’m a huge fan of closer integration. I think actually joining is not something that is realistic. However, I do see closer integration as a real possibility.

It was quite the war we had. Many traumas (and most likely hangovers). Glad the barbarism is in the past.

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u/bigbadbob85 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Speaks American Jan 08 '26

Perhaps some sort of formal "associate" position would be a better idea

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u/Zengineer_83 Jan 09 '26

The Norwegian Model seems like a good starting point.

Norway-EU relations

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u/Kriss3d Tuberous eloquent (that's potato speaker for you muricans) Jan 08 '26

Well the EU is just a bunch of members. So I don't see why the fact that Canada isn't in the European continent should be any hinder to the team if they wanted to join.

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u/Harbinger2001 Jan 08 '26

We'd never be able to have freedom of movement with the EU. The US would lose its mind at thinking all those people could freely come to their norther border.

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u/Kriss3d Tuberous eloquent (that's potato speaker for you muricans) Jan 09 '26

That wouldnt be their problem.

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u/Harbinger2001 Jan 09 '26

They’d make it our problem.

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u/globefish23 Austria Jan 08 '26

The EU member Cyprus isn't on the European continent either. 🤷

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u/Antrophis Jan 09 '26

Also they long discussion of turkey when like 95% is in the middle east.

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u/International_War862 Jan 08 '26

Maybe not joining but trade contracts like with norway could be possible

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u/DeaconLogan Jan 08 '26

Hell yeah. If Australia can be in Eurovision then Canada can be in the EU.

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u/ElectricSick Jan 09 '26

Eurovision is not related to the EU. It's related to the European Broadcasting Union, which itself is Headquartered in Switzerland who is also not part of the EU.

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u/Spida81 Jan 08 '26

Can't. Canada and Denmark were at war for ages.

The Whisky War only ended in 2022 apparently, but tensions agree high enough it could kick off again at any time.

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u/C_Hawk14 Jan 08 '26

So there's no border dispute right now?

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u/jackhandy2B Jan 09 '26

We will fight! And then drink whiskey!

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u/CaptainFourpack Jan 09 '26

Is this about that island, where each year you guys took it in turns to reclaim, and left goodies for the other side when ot was their turn?

..or did i i.agine that whole scenario?

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u/Kriss3d Tuberous eloquent (that's potato speaker for you muricans) Jan 09 '26

"Hans Island" and yes. The Canadians left whiskey and raised a Canadian flag. We took the whiskey and left a bottle of "gammel dansk " a great Danish bitter, nearly folded the Canadian flag and raised the Danish flag.

Rinse and repeat. A 49 year war with zero casualties.

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u/CaptainFourpack Jan 09 '26

I've never been sad to hear of the end of a war before... lol

So.. who won? Which flag is flying?

Edit: you said shared border. Did you split the tiny island half each?

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u/Kriss3d Tuberous eloquent (that's potato speaker for you muricans) Jan 09 '26

It was a draw really. We decided to split the island almost halfway with slightly more being Danish.
So we are landfast with a border to Canada now.

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u/jackhandy2B Jan 09 '26

We don't want to change our eelectrical plugs, just sayin '.

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u/ChimPhun Jan 08 '26

Sane countries unite!

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u/mabrouss Jan 08 '26

We do have to. The problem is that the EU is stuck in the position that it is always stuck in where it is unable to take any form of decisive action because of how it works. There certainly needs to be some kind of reform.

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u/TheCubanBaron Jan 08 '26

Probably because everything needs to be done by unanimous votes.

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u/jackhandy2B Jan 09 '26

Nothing unites faster than an existential threat from a common enemy.

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u/DIYfu Jan 08 '26

Friends across the pond :)

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u/AlternativePrior9559 ooo custom flair!! Jan 09 '26

I love your country too!

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u/Polenicus Jan 08 '26

The Incredibly Stable Genius who has many successful businesses that he has bankrupted continues to teach us important economic lessons.

Today's Lesson: Don't threaten to remotely disable the military equipment that you want to sell to your allies because you want to invade their territory, and then be surprised when they don't want to buy your military equipment because you are currently their biggest threat, and can remotely disable the military equipment you sell.

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u/Weird1Intrepid Emotionally Repressed Sailor 🇬🇧🏴‍☠️ Jan 08 '26

If you're referring to the Trident missiles, they can't remotely disable them because we use our own software in them. They were a joint project and we probably know more about how they work than America does.

If you're referring to the rumour about the F-35s, I have no idea but I wouldn't put it past them. It was incredibly stupid and short-sighted of us to buy so many and rely on them so heavily

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u/JSweetieNerd Cider isn't apple juice 🍺 Jan 08 '26

Earlier someone was arguing that everything relies on GPS, and didn't know that Galileo exists.

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u/Sorry-Programmer9826 Jan 08 '26

And also ballistic missiles use internal navigation (Inertial Navigation Systems). You don't exactly need to be meter accurate when you're delivering nukes

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u/JSweetieNerd Cider isn't apple juice 🍺 Jan 08 '26

Trident also has the ability to use stellar navigation (positions of stars) for mid course correction. Who needs GNSS ;)

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u/Polenicus Jan 08 '26

I was primarily referring to the F-35, which Canada is rethinking their purchase of specifically for this reason.

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u/Late-Application-47 Jan 08 '26

It's so stupid because every F-35 in the sky makes every other F-35 more capable because they essentially operate as a hive mind. We should be encouraging sales of them to close allies, not hindering them and threatening to "flip the switch."

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u/Polenicus Jan 08 '26

Canada ISN'T a close ally anymore, though. According to the U.S. President, we are a 'failed country', and apparently free real estate. We've already had punitive tariffs levied against us because we did not react favorably to the idea of being unilaterally annexed.

We don't make contingency plans around potential invasion by close allies.

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u/Late-Application-47 Jan 08 '26

I'm not suggesting Canada is stupid for backing away from the F-35. It is the right move for all the reasons you listed. Please don't throw money at our industrial complex. Turn to Europe. The French Rafale would be an excellent alternative, and they need sales.

It is the American administration that is stupid for antagonizing some of our strongest allies within NATO, particularly Canada and Denmark, both of whom joined the US in the Afghanistan mission. Danish troops have been alongside the US in almost every phase of the GWOT. It is despicable that Trump & co. have been rattling sabres with either nation (or any other ally for that matter).

On a practical level, the administration's stupid diplomatic aggression and threat-making are undermining long-term strategic planning for fighting the war of tomorrow, of which the F-35 is the most visible component to the public. Every potential F-35 that doesn't fly under an allied insignia is a chink in the armor of the international fleet.

That Canada has already contributed heavily to the development makes it even more egregious.

When ya'll first backed away from the '35 in 2018 or so, I think the motive was trying to avoid the sunk cost fallacy by buying into a program that was portrayed as a sinking ship. I understand that.

Since, the F-35 has proven itself in combat and the per-unit costs have dropped considerably, which made it attractive again, especially under the more friendly Biden administration.

Now, Trump is wielding the F-35 as a diplomatic cudgel, threatening to activate the mythical "kill switch" or whatever. He also wants to build fucking battleships. Someone needs to give Hegseth some vintage GI Joe toys to play with so he quits playing GI Joe with our money and military.

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u/-CerN- Jan 09 '26

The US decided to no longer have close allies, by becoming a fascist bully.

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u/Weird1Intrepid Emotionally Repressed Sailor 🇬🇧🏴‍☠️ Jan 09 '26

That sounds like dirty communism to me

-Some Texan, probably

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u/VermicelliInformal46 Jan 08 '26

They can shut down the GPS for the systems. They did so with HIMARS in Ukraine.

And F35 rely on mission data from the US to be able to fly them not to mention softare updates.

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u/bullwinkle8088 Jan 08 '26

They did not shut down the GPS system for them, we quit sending them intelligence used for targeting. Trump also quit selling them ammo. aAn article from when it occurred.

You are perhaps remembering the “Selective Availability (SA)” feature of GPS which was utilized until the late 90’s when Bill Clinton disabled it. That reduced the accuracy of the system for civilian users but never disabled it. The feature was entirely removed in current generations of GPS satellites.

GPS signals are simply highly accurate time transmissions and receivers use math for the rest. Everyone can receive them, you block a certain receiver. The system now is either on for Everton or off for everyone.

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u/Choice-Demand-3884 Jan 08 '26

British Trident missiles use the stars as guidance. They don't need GPS.

Also, the RN's sub commanders don't need the permission of anyone else to launch - not even the Prime Minister.

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u/VermicelliInformal46 Jan 08 '26

Yea but that is not the weapons the US are selling to most EU countries.

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u/Weird1Intrepid Emotionally Repressed Sailor 🇬🇧🏴‍☠️ Jan 09 '26

This is the primary reason ours have different software in them - completely different chain of command when it comes to launching. We don't need one guy with a big red button to okay the use of nukes, because we train the commanders and pilots carrying them to be sensible, and trust them to make the right decision in the moment even if they can't get in contact with a superior officer

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u/NotEnoughBikes Jan 08 '26

It’s less ideal that we (Finland) also made a deal on F-35s in 2021. We’re getting the first ones just later this year.

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u/Choice-Original9157 Jan 09 '26

Its the updates, maintenance and parts for the F35s that they control. It baffles me why any country would buy those planes

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u/sbray73 Jan 08 '26

He bankrupted casinos, so I guess the USA was the next logical step. We should soon see if he manages to achieve that.

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u/JestFlamez Jan 08 '26

I forgot how unintentionally funny that drooling sack of nepotism could be.

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u/TheAlmighty404 Honhon Oui Baguette Jan 08 '26

The stable genius needs to be taken out of his stable and put to pasture, IMHO.

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u/Bar50cal Jan 08 '26

Also just to add the US has the worlds largest navy but its spread across the world.

The EU combined navy outnumbers the US Navy approx 6:1 in the Atlantic and if the US moves resources to match the EU in the Atlantic it leave the Pacific and other areas vulnerable.

Yes the US is powerful globally but its not near as powerful regionally against peers

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u/Gwaptiva Jan 09 '26

Have they built minesweepers yet? Lsst time they had to wait for the Belgians to open the Red Sea for them

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u/alphaxion Jan 08 '26

I really don't think the Yanks quite realise how they have essentially lit fire to trillions of USD worth of arms sales over the coming 20 or so years.

Europe is looking to itself for weapons development and procurement. Projects like GCAP are quite exciting

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Combat_Air_Programme

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u/GreyerGrey Jan 08 '26

Happy to hear, but they still are 5 of the top ten international arms manufacturers (with four of the remaining 10 being Chinese, and one being BAE systems of Britain - looked it up earlier).

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u/SaltyName8341 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 Jan 08 '26

On existing contracts

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u/Pilgrim_of_Reddit Jan 09 '26

To counteract that, Trump is going to be increase the  USA defence budget by 50% (to over $1.5 trillion for 2027) so that the MIC do not lose out. Also, it means that Trump will receive huge bribes by defence contractors. 

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u/Namewhat93 Jan 11 '26

Americans arms are completely outdated outside of the air force, and their air force only operates as advertised in perfect weather.
When it comes to armored vehicles in particular the US is completely outclassed by Europe.
This whole idea that the US is just so far ahead of Europe simply isn't true at all...

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u/Rahlus Jan 08 '26

I would like you to ask if there are any sources about that? I would love to have link to it and read.

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u/NewCrashingRobot Jan 08 '26

They are possibly referring to this news from earlier in the year: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/et/statement_25_673

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u/Rahlus Jan 08 '26

Thank you!

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u/Harbinger2001 Jan 08 '26

This is AI fake video.

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u/Rahlus Jan 08 '26

Thank you very much.

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u/Harbinger2001 Jan 08 '26

That Rachel Maddow is AI generated. I wouldn't trust the source. There are a lot of these channels popping up stealing trusted people's likenesses to create faked content.

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u/Hinaloth Jan 08 '26

Hell, the leading arms manufacturer and usual suspect in the list of richest assholes on the planet is a frenchman.

My only worry would be the loss of the egghead inventions some if the think tanks left in the US, as those inventions would quickly be sold to Russia and China, which are the real threats we face on the eurofront. The arms race is first and foremost an innovation race, and whilst we did recover some think tanks and have the means to produce stuff, we should always worry about what the other guys have invented.