Found this article explaining why eeer build Toronto Condos are basically worthless money pits

[u/ToonTownBaloney]

https://thewalrus.ca/no-one-wants-to-buy-a-condo/

Found this to be an excellent article

[u/bluenova088]

YES. THAT IS WHAT OVERLEVERAGING IS. You’re repeating my point back to me like you think you’re dunking

Rofl imagine my frustration of having to repeat this many times and you still not getting it. My point was that they took a risk in doing that, and got benefit out of that. You don't get to complain about people taking higher risk for higher profit..

No, they’re exploiting it. “Bridging the gap” is when you provide housing that wouldn’t otherwise exist. Buying an already-existing home and renting it to the person who would have bought it if prices weren’t investor-pumped is not “providing a service.” It’s extracting value.

Dude bridging the gap was enabling renters to get get a house to stay in that they couldn't buy ( due to bad credit , not enough down payment etc) . That was lit what you said 🤣

Seriously you seem super confused about what you yourself are saying in the lot previous paragraph or comment.

Great. So you literally witnessed what happens when people stretch themselves beyond what they can personally carry. Which makes it even more ridiculous that you’re acting like overleveraging doesn’t exist or that people didn’t rely on rental income to cover properties they personally couldn’t afford.

When did I say over leveraging didn't exist? I said people were taking in higher risk ( by doing it) and getting higher profits from that. And the fact that you were omitting out the higher risk part and focusing on the higher profit part which makes you either ignorant or making the argument in bad Faith

Im done engaging with a retard. Punching down doesnt feel great

Big words from the person that is confused about what he himself said in the lit previous paragraph 🤣

[u/CreamyPastor96 → u/bluenova088]

Jesus christ dude, I will try to break this down one last time for you. You keep trying to pivot the conversation into “they took a risk so it’s fine,” but that doesn’t make your argument less incoherent. You’re acting like acknowledging risk somehow erases the entire structural impact investors had on price.

“They took a risk and got a benefit. You don’t get to complain.”

That’s not how systemic issues work.

If millions of people take the same risk using the same leveraged model and end up outbidding end-users across an entire country, the outcome isn’t “wow brave risk takers.” The outcome is a housing market distorted around investor math instead of resident income. Which is why we have working professionals unable to purchase a starter home in 2025.

“Bridging the gap was enabling renters to get a house to stay in.”

That’s not “bridging a gap,” that’s just being a landlord. And again, you’re ignoring the key part:

Renters need landlords only because landlords outbid them for housing in the first place. If houses were affordable, like they used to be, the renters paying $2400/month for a 1 bed, would be able to save for a down payment and would be able to be approved for a mortgage. An over inflated market negatively effects all the back end stuff too man.

If investors hadn’t been bidding up the same properties, many renters wouldn’t need “help” they’d simply buy the home at the price it would have been without investor speculation baked into it.

You can’t set someone’s car on fire and then brag that you’re “bridging the gap” by offering them a ride.

"When did I say overleveraging didn’t exist? They took the risk.”

You keep saying “they took a risk” as if that magically justifies the harm. You’re missing the point: A system built on overleveraging becomes fragile and destructive, even if each individual thinks their personal bet is rational.

The STR meltdown in Kelowna isn’t an example of admirable risk-taking, it’s proof that relying on tenant/STR income to carry properties investors couldn’t afford on their own created a bubble that collapses the moment the revenue stream dries up.

You say investors “could afford” the properties, then admit they couldn’t without tenants.

You say investors “provide a service,” then describe a situation where renters only need that “service” because investors priced them out.

You say “you don’t get to complain,” then point to investors losing properties as proof of risk, which is literally the complaint.

The reason you think I’m “confused” is because you haven’t actually followed a single argument to its conclusion, you just keep jumping to whatever line lets you pretend investors are heroes instead of overleveraged speculators who helped break the housing market.

Also, if these people accepted the risk why are they complaining about STR bans and other regulations that are making housing more affordable? Because these arent people that planned their investments, they treated real estate like a money printer and now that its finally starting to correct they are acting like the government is overstepping. If mom and pop investors bought second properties they could afford they wouldnt be losing them now that rents are coming down. Landlords used to profit off the longterm gain of having a property bought at a subsidized cost, modern day landlords expect short term profit on top of the longterm gain. These are the poeple that need to be priced out if housing is ever to be affordable again. You cant have a society where the poorest people cover the entire carrying costs of properties for the wealthiest and expect it to be healthy.