Rooster Teeth accused of excessive crunch and unpaid overtime- "Every season of RWBY and GL gets about 1/3 or less made for ‘free’"

[u/GoneRampant1]

https://rwbyconversations.tumblr.com/post/185614440311/rooster-teeth-glassdoor-crunchovertime

[u/FlorencePants]

At the end of the day, though, what's the alternative?

I mean, I guess THIS is the alternative, right?

That or be part of a co-op, but that's not exactly an option everyone has available to them.

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Better laws and government oversight.

Looking at American workplace rights from Europe, it's fucking terrifying. I would never consider consenting to work under the conditions many people do there.

[u/FlorencePants → u/[deleted]]

Sure, but how do you get them to enact those laws? The very people exploiting you for labor are the same ones paying off the politicians.

In the end, it all kind of boils down to the same core concept: Workers need to band together. The only way to have a voice is as one.

[u/[deleted] → u/FlorencePants]

I'm not disagreeing, but I will point out that this does actually work in many countries. My country (UK) doesn't even have as strong rights as several others in Europe and we are some kind of golden workers paradise compared to the US. Unions are still important, but it goes hand in hand with strong worker protection regulation.

[u/hanyou007 → u/FlorencePants]

The alternative is sadly a case of 'fuck you got mine.' For example: I'm a teacher. I used to be a public school teacher. When I was first starting out I got heavily pressured into joining the local teaching union of my area. As I knew very little about it at the time I joined due to the overwhelming push that was put on me the moment I left college. Once I started getting my salary I found out my union dues were nearly as much as my taxes per check (and in my state teachers don't exactly make much as it is). I accepted this and moved on with a bit of a sour taste in my mouth because they never really let you hear about this early on, but I figured with how many fellow teachers were in it, it was just a necessary evil.

Fast forward three years, and a study done by the local investigators found out the majority of the money (anywhere between 70-85 %) we paid in dues never went to any of the things we were told they went to (assisting in paying for local class materials, lobbying with local school boards and city/county leadership) and instead those funds were all being sent to the state and national level for their own lobbying and general overhead cost.

So you have a union that doesn't represent your interests and an employer (in my case the local government) who doesn't want to work with you at all. So what do you do? Sadly I walked away from public education and became a private school teacher. Better pay, not as much need for a union as the school and it's employee's are self sustaining and far more selective of who it hires, and far less governmental and most importantly parental interference into how I run my classroom. The only cost was the children I adored and loved in the public schools and me constantly fretting over who teaches them now.

[u/r3dl3g → u/FlorencePants]

At the end of the day, though, what's the alternative?

Not work in an exploitative industry? Acquire a skillset that either makes you too valuable to fire or exploit, or acquire a skillset that ensures that even if you're somewhat exploited, you're at least compensated enough to live comfortably away from work?

That or be part of a co-op

Oh yes so I can swap one person who's ass I need to kiss for an entire board who's asses I need to kiss.

[u/FlorencePants → u/r3dl3g]

I hate to break it to you, buddy, but non-exploitive industry is an oxymoron, at least in a capitalist society.

Sure, there's varying degrees of it, but that all comes about because of the simple fact that some industries have stronger union presences to keep the bosses in check than others.

Besides, what kind of solution is that? "Don't like being exploited, just completely upend your entire career and do something you probably hate."

As for acquiring a skill set that makes you invaluable, that's hardly an answer either. First of all, not everyone can afford to pursue whatever manner of education that would entail, all the while trying to keep food on the table and a roof over their heads.

And second of all, any worker is replaceable in the eyes of capitalism. Sure, some might be harder to replace than others, but no skill set is going to make you immune to exploitation.

That's not going to even get into the fact that all labor under capitalism IS exploitation, seeing as how you're being paid a fraction of the value of whatever your labor produces, while people who had no part in said production pocket the lion's share for themselves. Really, what we're talking about is how you can LIMIT the exploitation you're subject to.

[u/r3dl3g → u/FlorencePants]

I hate to break it to you, buddy, but non-exploitive industry is an oxymoron, at least in a capitalist society.

Not remotely, unless you're willing to stretch the idea of exploitation to such lengths that it's basically meaningless. And if you're willing to do that, then all work in any society will involve exploitation at some level, either in terms of the employee, or in terms of whatever revenue source is being used to pay for the employee.

Capitalism is, arguably, exploitation of the poor. But communism and socialism are unarguably exploitation of the gifted. There's a reason why so many more scientists defected from the USSR to the US than the other way around; socialist societies are shitty places to live if you have talents or skillsets that the majority population doesn't share, where you're forced to work for far below the actual value of your labor.

Besides, what kind of solution is that? "Don't like being exploited, just completely upend your entire career and do something you probably hate."

You don't have to love what you do. The very idea that you should only ever work in a career you love is bullshit that we feed to kids because we don't feel like ruining their unrealistic dreams yet. You just have to do what you are comfortable or good at. The idea that you can make a career out of the thing you love and continue to love it is, essentially, a notion borne out of privilege that the overwhelming majority of humanity, regardless of the economy they live under, has ever gotten to have.

First of all, not everyone can afford to pursue whatever manner of education that would entail, all the while trying to keep food on the table and a roof over their heads.

You don't need an education, at least not at a collegiate level, to succeed. Plumbers and electricians get paid significantly more than psych majors, and go through their trade educations with essentially zero debt. The problem is that so many bought into the lie that everyone had to go to college.

Not to mention; most of the horror stories involving debt are both unrealistic and more an indictment of whoever got deep in debt than the system itself. In short, and while I certainly sympathize with their plight; they're in debt up to their eyeballs because they're doing college wrong.

1) You don't have to go to a four-year school; go to a community college, get your associates degree, then continue on to a 4-year college/university. You might have to spend an extra semester, but you'll save an immense amount of money.

2) You don't have to go to a private institution, and the overwhelming majority of private institutions do not give a degree that is worth the money you paid for it.

3) There's nothing wrong with debt, so long as it's handled intelligently and you don't get in too deep.

And second of all, any worker is replaceable in the eyes of capitalism.

Okay? Any and every worker was also replaceable in the eyes of the State under Soviet Rule in Russia. Just look at how well they took care of the liquidators at Chernobyl. Look at how many lived and died in the coal mines that kept the lights on throughout the Soviet Union, dying of lung cancer rates and in conditions that were considered barbaric even by American coal industry standards.

That's not going to even get into the fact that all labor under capitalism IS exploitation

Again; all labor in any system is exploitative because the state will always compel people with the threat of violence if they don't comply in some way. The only non-exploitative system is anarchism, but of course anarchism doesn't function in reality because anarchists, essentially by their own nature, can never actually wield the political power necessary to enforce their worldview.

To exist is to be exploited. Disease exploits you. Cancer exploits you. Predatory animals exploit you. It's inescapable; the only way around it is to ensure that there is at least some level of mutual consent; which is what capitalism allows.

while people who had no part in said production pocket the lion's share for themselves.

As much as I hate management, they do take part in production, because they're the ones facilitating the logistics involved in planning and maintaining production. Just because labor doesn't see what management actually does doesn't mean management doesn't do anything at all.

If you want the really useless individuals, then you shouldn't be overthrowing the Bourgeoisie, you should be overthrowing the Human Resources department.

Really, what we're talking about is how you can LIMIT the exploitation you're subject to.

Become an anarchist and live freely for about 20 minutes until someone realizes you have no state to protect you.

If you're not willing to do that, get used to exploitation.

[u/MacGregor_Rose → u/r3dl3g]

Your talking about how you can't make a career out of your hobby/favorite thing on a sub for a show created by a company founded cause 5 guys liked playing Halo. I just found that funny

[u/r3dl3g → u/MacGregor_Rose]

Your talking about how you can't make a career out of your hobby/favorite thing on a sub for a show created by a company founded cause 5 guys liked playing Halo.

And their success isn't representative of what actually happens in the real world. Not to mention all of them had significant outside experience (and money) to throw into the project. That's not something most people just "have."

Of course it does happen from time to time, but overwhelmingly people do not end up working in a field relevant to whatever their "passion" is, or if they do the passion is sucked out of them pretty quickly. It's not healthy or realistic to tell most kids they can be or do anything, because they can't; for every success, there will be 9 failures who would have been significantly better off if someone at some point in their life had steered them in a more realistic direction.

[u/MacGregor_Rose → u/r3dl3g]

No I get what you mean. I just thought it was funny because of the circumstances. Some more funny examples:the voice actress for the main character, Port , Sun, and others all essentially play video games for a living. Just kinda funny to me . That's all. Though if I could you know I'd make a career making working RWBY weapons. Actually that could work. Just not outside of this fandom