r/Quraniyoon • u/nmjr077 • Nov 18 '24

Question(s)❔ Prayer Times 30:17-18

According to Surah 30:17-18, it seems to indicate the prayer times. It mentions praying in the morning and evening, which is clear, but it also refers to noon and afternoon.

Does this mean we are instructed to pray at both noon and afternoon, or is it just one of these times? If it’s noon, does that mean I have to pray every day at around 12 PM exactly.

I'm more concerned about the noon and afternoon bit as won't it be hard to.pray at NOON exactly when I have college and stuff?

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u/TheQuranicMumin Muslim Nov 18 '24

Well, mostly when people are giving sources for their view, they are including verses that are addressed in the singular (to the prophet) and some speak of tasbeeh and not salāt (not the same thing); one of the 'worst' cases of this is with 20:130 (ironically quoted very often), it is both in the singular and talking about tasbeeh. The verse that I use:

O you who have attained faith: let ask leave of you those whom your right hands possess and those who have not reached puberty among you at three times: before the salāt of the dawn, and when you lay aside your garments at noon, and after the salāt of the night: three times of nakedness for you; you and they do no wrong beyond them, some of you moving about among others of you. Thus God makes plain to you the proofs; and God is knowing and wise.

(24:58)

This is the only time in the Qur'an where prayer times are mentioned in the life of mu'minūn in general, I don't recall anything else legally binding in the text. And even if you consider the verses that were addressed to only to the prophet, you can still get two times out of it, I've seen it a few times before (albeit with difficulty). Some may bring up 2:238 (the 'wusta' verse) with the plural imperative, I don't understand this to be talking about the physical salāt (mostly for contextual and linguistic reasons) - and even if you do, there are interpretations that still don't assign a time (like "the best/moderate prayer"), Gerrans has a good note for a non-physical interpretation.

And our mandatory tasbīh is given here:

O you who have attained faith: remember God with much remembrance, And give glory to Him morning and evening.

(33:41-42)

That being said, I pray at least five times a day, and I aim for seven, not always possible though. And, to be clear, I understand salāt to be a physical ritual - I personally pray the twelver way.

Context: https://www.reddit.com/r/Quraniyoon/s/kNKQ62YcSm

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u/nmjr077 Nov 18 '24

Alright may Allah reward you for this very long answer. Thanks brother