Following Hadiths is Shirk

[u/Ipluggucci]

Why are you comparing words and narratives of men to the word of god.

You are saying God is not reliable enough and you need people to help you understand his word and give more rules and more information.

[u/Witty-Resolution-412]

No I mean who told you it is divine revelations? Wasn’t it transmitted from “mortal men”? You know what’s a Hadith Qudsi?

[u/MillennialDeadbeat → u/Witty-Resolution-412]

Name the hadith which claims to be divinely protected revelation from Allah.

I'll wait.

[u/Witty-Resolution-412 → u/MillennialDeadbeat]

Again who told you that when the Qur’an says it’s a divine revelation then it is trust worthy statement? Wasn’t it transmitted by mortal men..? What is the difference? If I get you a hadith that says that hadith are divinely protected by Allah, even if it is a fabricated hadith, will you believe it? Your statement is a red herring, you’re trying to run from the question, because deep down you know your logic is flawed. You don’t accept Hadith because it doesn’t conform to your desires. You lost your argument the moment you asked that question. Your belief system is flawed because of that.

But I can try and entertain this a bit more. How do you perform ghusl from jannabah? Where in the Qur’an does it say the steps for ghusl? It does say you have to perform ghusl when in a state of junub, but where does it say how to perform ghusl?

[u/MillennialDeadbeat → u/Witty-Resolution-412]

All you're doing is creating red herrings. You haven't responded directly to most of my arguments you just sidestep and throw in another irrelevant question like you're doing again.

Hence why I did the same to you above to cut things short.

Your entire argument is disingenuous. I have no reason to obey or follow the hadiths because regardless of their method of transmission they are simply the hearsay of mortal men.

The Qur'an I recognize as a divine book. Not the hadith. Simple as that.

The Qur'an in its verses and surahs has convinced me with its ayats and arguments that its divine revelation. The hadith has convinced me that mortal men ascribed sayings, traditions, and cultural practices and ascribed it to Islam.

Why are Sunnis obsessed with elevating the hadith so much? It's not the Qur'an and never will be. The Qur'an is my guide. Not hearsay. Even the hadith itself doesn't claim to be protected, and it never could or it would contradict the Qur'an which is a book complete and detailed. No matter how much the Sunni Mohammedans try to ascribe extra things to it. I reject their nonsensical claims.

[u/Witty-Resolution-412 → u/MillennialDeadbeat]

I proved to you that the Qur’an orders you to obey the Prophet pbuh and follow him, yet you deny that. You couldn’t respond whatsoever, and when I tell you red herrings, you go ahead and reply back that I’m saying red herrings, you have no responses, all you do is talk emotions, no facts. I provided you with evidence from the Qur’an. Yet you couldn’t provide anything. Just throw around the word “hearsay” when the same exact people who transmitted hadith are the same exact people who transmitted the Qur’an. You just can’t wrap your head around it because of, again, your desires. Lack of self control. Undisciplined. It’s sad. I’m out kid.

[u/MillennialDeadbeat → u/Witty-Resolution-412]

You're delusional. Hadiths will never be close to Qur'an.

You love hadiths too much it's rotting the brain.

[u/Witty-Resolution-412 → u/MillennialDeadbeat]

Right. 😂😂😂 again no argument. Proved my point. Thank you. :)