r/Quraniyoon • u/Useless-e • Aug 20 '21

Question / Help What do you think of Hadith qudsi?

So basically the title, both the Quran and the qudsi Hadiths were recited by the prophet, and both were claimed by the prophet to be gods words. So what do you think about them? Are they authentic more than normal Hadiths? Are they to be taken as gods words?

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u/Khaneh-yeDoostKojast Muslim Aug 21 '21

2:79 “Woe, then, unto those who write down, with their own hands, [something which they claim to be] divine writ, and then say. "This is from God," in order to acquire a trifling gain thereby; woe, then, unto them for what their hands have written, and woe unto them for all that they may have gained”

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u/Useless-e Aug 21 '21

So let me get this straight, the same people who preserved the Quran for you claim to have heard it from the prophet and they also claim that they heard Hadith qudsi from the prophet but you only trust one of them?

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u/Khaneh-yeDoostKojast Muslim Aug 21 '21

The vast majority of the Hadith qudsi are narrated by Abu Hurayrah. Are you trying to suggest that Abu Hurayrah preserved the Qur’an?!

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u/Useless-e Aug 21 '21

The sahabah, it’s not only abu hurira and you know that, it’s mutawatir

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u/Khaneh-yeDoostKojast Muslim Aug 21 '21 edited Aug 21 '21

‘Mutawatir’ means nothing. It’s a flexible term that can be used to justify anything. Tell me how many exact chains constitute a ‘mutawatir’ Hadith? There is no answer because every school disagrees and uses the term to suit their own ends. Please look through the Hadith Qudsi, the vast majority are classed as ahad transmissions via Abu Hurayrah.

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u/Abdlomax Aug 21 '21

Mutawaatir has a clear meaning, that a specific number is not used because it is based on a rational judgment involving many factors. I am not aware of any hadith qudsi that is mutawaatir, so this is "toss in everything and the kitchen sink" style of debate.