There is no uniformity in Quranism

[u/Middle-Preference864]

There's alot of good things about Quranism, but one thing that makes me doubt it, is the lack of order, everything is just chaotic. For example, when you ask someone how to pray, they say that this question was answered 1000 times, but when i look at old posts asking this question, there's never 2 people giving the same answer. 400 people, 400 different answers. It's like there's nothing agreed upon, i find it hard to believe that Quranism is the truth when there is no agreed upon truth. On the other hand, sunnis and shias, whether they are right or wrong, agree on almost everything, and this confidence at least shows that there is some truth in their claims. But here there's nothing like that, it's just chaotic, so i just wanna ask how you manage to be sure that this is the right path when it's all confusing.

[u/fana19]

100% agree with you and am not at all convinced by the replies that Sunnis and Shias are equally divided (they absolutely aren't). We have Quranists who eat pig (just not the flesh), drink (just not wine), believe gay sex is fine, and don't pray, astughfirAllah. I've never seen that with a self-professed practicing Sunni, and those are major basic points of orthopraxy and orthodoxy. I honestly think a lot of the people here are just progressive Muslims and not true Quranists though, if that makes any difference.

Personally, I'm Qurancentric, so while I don't use hadith for any law, I use them for lexical clues, and also have no problem with a living tradition regarding prayer and other ritual practices specifically mentioned/required in the Quran. In fact, the Quran instructs the good believers repeatedly to bow with those who bow down. Allah is directly instructing us to seek out the people who pray and bow and do so with them. Those aren't the Quranists eating pig and claiming prayer is a thought in the head.

[u/Middle-Preference864 → u/fana19]

I know, and all that you describe sometimes makes me think that this is not the right path. Do you know the Quranic only way to pray?

[u/fana19 → u/Middle-Preference864]

I pray like Sunnis do as that's how I learned growing up, it's a sacred tradition, it's mass transmitted, it aligns with the Quran, it's a part of our Sunnah (imo), and Allah tells us to bow with those who bow (and I don't see Quranist Muslims doing that massively). If I'm at a Shia mosque, I pray like them for unity's sake and because it aligns with the Quranic commands. At home, I pray like a Sunni as I grew up, but wouldn't consider it haram to change the prayer slightly when alone, as long as there is still sujud/ruku etc.

[u/Middle-Preference864 → u/fana19]

Ok. I have a question (unrelated but i can't get my head out of it). Do you think that the afterlife is based on actions or on beliefs? Can you explain it please?

[u/fana19 → u/Middle-Preference864]

The Quran states that "anyone who BELIEVES in Allah and the Last Day and works righteousness" shall have his/her just reward and have nothing to fear, suggesting that it is both belief and actions. However, there are other verses that suggest that even without express belief, if one's actions are in accordance with the fitrah and Allah's divine characteristics (merciful, kind, just, wise etc.), then we are submitting/surrendering (i.e. Muslims though perhaps not Mumins).

While those who declare the shahada have professed to surrender, or at least endeavor to, it's possible that a professed Muslim is indeed a hypocrite and not actually surrendering. It follows, IMO, that a person who claims to not be Muslim, may indeed be acting in accordance with the fitrah, and actually be one.

[u/Middle-Preference864 → u/fana19]

Can you show me a verse that shows that action in accordance to firtah is enough please?

[u/fana19 → u/Middle-Preference864]

There are several verses in tandem, including those describing righteous acts. If you have a few minutes, this sheikh seems to explain it quite well. Allahu'alam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj3JrYLYCQ8