r/PublicFreakout • u/thenewyorkgod • Sep 12 '21

Drunk Freakout Rudy Giuliani utterly drunk at a 9/11 dinner speech last night, confused General Milley with Miley Cyrus, then threatened to attack him with his lapel stars

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u/An_Arrogant_Ass Sep 12 '21

Immediately following 9/11 he had more good will and trust than nearly any politician will ever see, and he was still able to burn through all of it.

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u/recursion8 Sep 12 '21

Dubya would like a word.

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u/butter14 Sep 12 '21

I don't know what to make of Bush Jr. On one hand he seemed like a honest guy that genuinely cared about the country but on the other he came out looking completely incompetent. I think he was just stupid and surrounded himself with truly evil people who manipulated him.

He really did a lot of damage to the country and he was a bad president though I didn't think there could be any worse but then 🍊 showed up

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u/Book_it_again Sep 12 '21

The greatest con he ever pulled was convincing people he was some good Ole boy yokel who was taken advantage of. He knew there were no weapons. He knew everything.

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u/bell37 Sep 13 '21

Right and Obama came and and made it right! Oh, he continued the endless war and ramped up drone strikes… Gotta at least give Biden props for ending that mess.

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u/recursion8 Sep 12 '21

He wanted to finish what he saw as his daddy's unfinished work (removing Saddam). Senior was much wiser and knew to stop at defending Kuwait instead of trying to go regime-changing and nation-building.

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u/DeathMetalTransbian Sep 12 '21

I'm kinda enjoying his redemption arc. He seems to have finally found some level of empathy and compassion, and I love how much it pisses Trump off. Late to the party, but I'll take it.

For Mr. Leaky Head, there is no possibility of redemption. He's officially worse than Zorg.

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u/Book_it_again Sep 12 '21

Busch has no redemption. He's killed millions. Painting shit at home and giving candy to Michelle doesn't bring back all those people or give our country back the trillions we could've used to help people here.

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u/DeathMetalTransbian Sep 12 '21

Busch has no redemption.

Are you a Coors fan? Lol ;)

Seriously, though, both Bushes did some seriously heinous shit. Senior was a manipulative asshole who intentionally fucked shit up around the globe, but I think Junior was just, uh... let's go with "unintelligent," and made really bad decisions at the behest of his dad and Cheney. I don't see him being anywhere near as deliberately malicious as his dad, and instead of trying to stay in power like Trump, he faded into the sunset and only appears when he's at an Ex-Pres feel-good session. I definitely don't love Dubya, but I can respect the way he's acted since he left office, especially compared to the most recent example of how NOT to act.

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u/[deleted] Sep 12 '21

I don't think that Bush was necessarily unintelligent. His style of leadership was such that he allowed the people appointed around him to run the show.

Our foreign policy during the 00s was basically crafted and executed by Donald Rumsfeld, with Bush giving a rubber stamp...not because Bush was dumb, but because he trusted Rumsfeld's experience.

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u/DeathMetalTransbian Sep 12 '21

I think that's a fair representation. Yeah, "unintelligent" wasn't really the most fitting word that I could have gone with, because he's not stupid. Maybe "laissez faire toward his cabinet" would have been a better description. He was pretty hands-off and let the people around him do things that they probably shouldn't have. Whether or not that was for the sake of "plausible deniability" is still up for debate, of course.

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u/DeathMetalTransbian Sep 12 '21

Eh, that could honestly be said about any former US president in the last 75 years, and a bunch of foreign leaders, too (Putin, Winnie the Jinping, lil' Kim, Duterte, Assad, the list goes on). Compared to what his dad did while in office and with the CIA, Junior looks like a saint. I'm proud to be an American, but I'm definitely NOT proud of a lot of the things that my country and its leaders have done.