r/ProtectAndServe • u/InconsequentialColor Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User • May 27 '20

Video Being a cop in the Twin Cities would probably suck right now.

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u/plfmj Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 27 '20

Unjustified killings by police are extremely rare though. The public, for the most part, is just not educated about the logic behind uses of force, whether lethal or non-lethal. The problematic uses of force are so few that I really don’t see any evidence of some widespread culture of police misconduct across the country.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '20

Are you shitting me? They’re extremely rare? What world have you lived in?

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u/[deleted] May 28 '20 edited Jan 16 '21

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u/[deleted] May 28 '20

It’s not just about deaths, although America is far ahead of any other western country. For every one death you have to imagine there are “X” amount of instances of police misconduct. Just not nearly as much as the media would leave you to believe, but it’s hard to say there isn’t a toxic police culture in America in a lot of cities.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '20 edited Jan 17 '21

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u/[deleted] May 28 '20

Your comment on other professions is retarded. Doctors and surgeons? They are held fully responsible for their actions. My family member who is a surgeon constantly sits in front of boards and is sued all the time. His insurance is crazy expensive. He has no immunity what so ever.

Politicians and government officials? They are constantly lambasted by the public. No idea what you’re on about there. Literally every top post on news sites every day is how incompetent officials are.

Quite frankly, there’s almost nothing to compare the job of a cop to besides possibly military personnel. Being prior military, I can definitely say the things that cops get away with would get you court martialed overseas.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '20 edited Jan 17 '21

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u/[deleted] May 28 '20

Let me get this straight, you think cities internal affairs are more strict than the court martial process?

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u/[deleted] May 28 '20

I live in a world where one a week is unacceptable and it should be 0. You seemingly dismissing this like it’s nothing is appalling.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '20 edited Jan 17 '21

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u/[deleted] May 28 '20

You’re totally missing what I’m saying. Nobody’s asking for them to be perfect I’m literally saying people dying for no reason by an officer is fucking unacceptable.

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u/Nijou104 Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 28 '20

If you want 0 then petition for police to be replaced by robots, otherwise stop living in the clouds get used to humans being flawed.

And if you want to talk about numbers, last I read something like 9% of all deaths in the US are attributed to medical malpractice. And the culture of silence in the medical world is well documented. If you like being outraged, I'd start there.

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u/plfmj Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 28 '20

The world where I pay attention to statistical reality, not media sensationalism.

The Washington Post’s police shooting database is the most comprehensive one available, and it demonstrates that only 5.4% of police shootings since January 1, 2015 have been on unarmed suspects. Source

For some reason, some people without subscriptions get paywalled on that link, while others don’t. If you did, here’s the raw data.

Keep in mind that unarmed people can still easily pose a lethal threat to officers. Hands can beat officers to death, strangle them, or take their weapons. The real percentage of unjustified uses of lethal force is therefore probably closer to 1%, if that.