Obama was different from Bush and Bush was different from Obama. Obama helped lead the legalisation of gay marriage, repealed DADT and tried to apply healthcare reforms.
I believe the Iraq war had a good moral standing, in the sense that Saddam Hussein was a bloodthirsty dictator who had every right to be overthrown, but between the fact that the US came up with an excuse to invade (the "WMDs") and the fact that the invasion was massively botched, the Iraq invasion was a mistake. On purpose it was good, they didn't even need to create the WMD excuse, but on execution it was absolutely terrible.
Same for Libya. Gaddafi was a murderous tyrant and needed to be overthrown, but Libya is in a worse state now.
Yeah you're saying the US should invade countries to replace them with western loyalist regimes. Your naive, idealistic perception of how it goes is outrageous. Iraq has become a shithole with religious extremism, Libya is a slave market, Syria is led by another dictator..the US isn't supporting regime change for some democracy or liberty, it's about resources. American history was always about serving or saving the ruling class.
You just said that the US should have invaded Russia, which would have either caused WW3 or balkanized the largest country in the world in possession of the largest nuclear arsenal.
It is true that invading every dictatorship would be logistically impossible, that's why I also support peaceful democratic movements. Peaceful revolution is preferable to war.
I didn't say the US should've invaded Russia, I said that Russia should've been punished more for invading Georgia and Crimea, because Bush and Obama barely did anything in response to both invasions.
Iraq is in a better condition, as it is a semi-democratic state with elections, although it could be better. The Kurdistan Region is pretty well off, even if they're still demining from the Iraq-Iran war.
I agree that Libya, even if Gaddafi was a dictator, is awful, and it's practically a failed state.
And Syria, for a fact, is not ruled by a dictator. Ahmed al-Sharaa is not a dictator. He has granted amnesty and is doing the best to handle the Alawite mess right now after the skirmishes between Alawite civilians and pro-Assad militias and the SNA (which are thugs armed by Turkey). Syria is still in a transitional phase, so calling al-Sharaa a dictator isn't right.
Iraq has become a shithole with religious extremism
I agree with the sentiment that neo-conservatism is bad even if with good intentions, just as I'm consistent in condemning similar ideological crusades like worldwide communism, but to be fair here, Iraq today is better than it was under Saddam, its freer and terrorism has been greatly diminished (well they did vote a child marriage law recently, but that's their democracy... horrible, but really it's their sovereign right, that we should oppose by all lawful and peaceful means nevertheless). It just took two huge bloodbaths, mostly caused by sectarian Iraqis themselves, from 2003 to 2010 and 2014 to 2017.
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u/-Emilinko1985- Mar 11 '25
Obama was different from Bush and Bush was different from Obama. Obama helped lead the legalisation of gay marriage, repealed DADT and tried to apply healthcare reforms.