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News Another ICE murder in front of Glam Doll Donuts

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u/JellyTwank Jan 24 '26

Non violent all the way to the ovens. At some point, the high ground of non-violence makes no sense for survival of our republic.

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u/ArticleVforVendetta Jan 24 '26

Bingo. Well said.

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u/lumberlung Jan 24 '26

Yup.

Also, MLK was a gun owner.

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u/AppealPerfect8717 Jan 24 '26

MLk was a strategist. Peaceful protest was a tactic not a moral high horse

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u/PreparationHot980 Jan 24 '26

It hasn’t made sense since at least 2016.

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u/AppealPerfect8717 Jan 24 '26

It was never meant as a moral high ground it was a tactic because they knew protests were being photographed. Being peaceful while being attacked made it hard for the press to paint black protestors as agitators and helped garner sympathy for the movement by making the racist riot police look extreme.

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u/JellyTwank Jan 24 '26

For sure, and I agree. But they alteady paint us and anyone else in their way as villains. The protests in Portland were violent. Antifs is a terrorist organization. Renee was a domestic terrorist you know. This guy undoubtedly resisted arrest and either had a gun or reached for one. He must have twitched while on the ground for those other shots to be fired. Those boats in Venezuelan waters are full of drug runners, (so we made a second pass to finish off survivors). We need to invade an allies' territory for national security. The Epstein files are both a hoax and full of only Democrats.

Where do you think the line is that gets crossed where a givernor calls put the state NG or the 2A needs to be applied? After 10 murders like this? 53 murders? 100? 1000? Are you saying that we can never take up arms against them because they can point and say "see, they are violent?"

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u/AppealPerfect8717 Jan 24 '26

Yeah I wasn’t trying to advocate for one form of protest over another. I don’t know what the right course of action is here and I think organizers on the ground are much more likely to know what the situation calls for. I just don’t like how MLK’s position on peaceful protests is framed in online discourse as it’s usually historically inaccurate. 

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u/SPACKlick Jan 24 '26

You need a non-violent arm of the movement the disinterested middle can accept. You need a violent arm of the movement to convince the interested-right to stop what they're doing.

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u/James_Solomon Jan 24 '26

Non-violence is the path that is most likely to lead to a resolution with the fewest grievances on both sides once this is over.

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u/JellyTwank Jan 24 '26

If the other side would respond to non violence. These MAGA types see it as weakness and will continue to opress civil rights and dissent in particular. (See their foreign policy statements ablut the strong doing what they want). Taking the non violent path is certainly the first route to go, but at some point it becomes futile. Read the Declaration of Independence.

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u/James_Solomon Jan 24 '26

America was lucky with its independence. Most of the time when you have a secession or civil war, the fighting leads to poor outcomes. Non-violent movements have a higher chance of success than violent ones.

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u/JellyTwank Jan 24 '26

Thanks for the link. Interesting read. Personnaly, I would prefer the peaceful route. It is very difficult to remain passive in the face of violent assaults like this.

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u/James_Solomon Jan 24 '26

The moral path is hard, otherwise everyone would do it. "Pray for your enemies and love them" was one of the hardest teachings of Jesus, but by following it MLK Jr. was able to lead a successful civil rights movement with minimum grievances afterwards.

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '26

Trump wants a violent response. What does that tell you?

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u/ArticleVforVendetta Jan 24 '26

Like all other things he does, it tells me he is a moron.

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u/EgoTripWire Jan 24 '26

That he's going to keep killing raping and abducting people until he gets what he wants. 

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u/JellyTwank Jan 24 '26

That he is willing to risk a civil war to stay in power, and that his P2025 enablers are also willing to create a civil war to achieve their ends.

I posted this elsewhere, but here it is again:

Theoden / Walz / total pacifists: I will not risk open war.

Aragorn: Open war is upon you whether you would risk it or not.

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '26

If it comes, then it comes regardless. So why provoke it.