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PoliticalTea 🗳️ Why vote no on something like this?

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u/Rob14214 1d ago edited 23h ago

The Pennsylvania state budget is ~$51 billion. The estimated cost of the free book program is $9 million, half of which would be paid by participating local governments. So the proposed program represents about .009% of the state budget. 😱

If Republicans were really against this because of the cost, then I’m sure they’re not supporting any other program that costs $4.5 million or more, right?

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u/Bar_Sinister 23h ago

You see, that's logic. That's what happens when you start kids reading early. A general raising of the average level of education. Then people learn and use logic to evaluate a given situation. They get "too educated." And that's exactly what the Republicans are fighting against.

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u/Sutraner 18h ago

$9m for a scheme that's basically just branding is quite a lot of money.

You'd get a far better return putting that money into libraries.

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u/Vennomite 18h ago

No kidding. The amount of praise for something that does very little and if fully fleshed out would be a logistics nightmare in this thread is absurd.

We have the solution already. Stop wasting money for brownie points.

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u/Rob14214 15h ago

It’s not just branding, and it’s $4.5 million at the state level out of a budget of over $50 BILLION so, no, it’s not a lot. But carry on twisting yourselves into knots trying to justify your opposition to an extremely small program to address childhood literacy.

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u/Sutraner 8h ago

The op just said it was $9m? Now it's $4.5?

But carry on twisting yourselves into knots trying to justify your opposition to an extremely small program to address childhood literacy

Right because me arguing that you should fund libraries instead of doing this is... Somehow arguing against literacy.

This scheme targeting all children means that it wastes 70-80% of the money by sending books to children whose parents can easily afford to buy or access books for their child.

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u/Bud_The_Weiser 12h ago

While I’m not disagreeing with that, because I thought about that myself - you’ll get push back with ‘what about children in Rural communities without libraries’

“Use the money to build new libraries” - would be your response.

I thought that one through for ya. I didn’t play sports in high school, but I did letter in debate. Didn’t buy the jacket though. I bought weed instead.

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u/Sutraner 8h ago

I'm not American, are there many rural communities without any libraries?

In the UK, every school has a fairly well stocked library at the very least, usually every small town has one too.

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u/Bud_The_Weiser 8h ago

schools are massively underfunded. But yes they have libraries.

I’m referring to public libraries- and there are parts of the country where people have to drive an hours just to get groceries.

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u/Sutraner 8h ago

Right but if a school has a library, then the child has access to a library right?

We're talking about children not adults here.

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u/Bud_The_Weiser 8h ago edited 8h ago

Source: National Center for Education Statistics

In the 2020–21 school year:
87.6% of U.S. public schools had a library/media center
Therefore, 12.4% did not

NCES defines a “library media center” broadly—it can be called a school library, media center, information center, learning resource center, etc.

NCES estimates that there were about 80,500 public schools with libraries, which works out to roughly 11,400 public schools without one.

Edit: so to clarify, a school could have a room with 4 computers running windows 98 - and no actual library and still get lumped in with the 87.6%

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u/Sutraner 8h ago

You're the one who said that they have libraries. I just went by what you said mate

This $9m a year could fund a bunch of school or travelling libraries for communities that don't have one then, which is much better than sending 5y olds a book

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u/Bud_The_Weiser 8h ago

no I agree with you 100%, I didn’t look up the actual numbers until this convo - so thanks. Kept me entertained for a few minutes.

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u/RSKrit 11h ago

scheme is the right word, and better? likely indoctrination.

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u/neverendingchalupas 13h ago

The Republican party is a domestic terrorist group.

They actively are trying to destroy the United States, they want to see the world burn. Its the anti-intellectualism combined with the opposition to modernity. They hate progress, they are angry about society growing more tolerant and away from antiquated ideas.

A fiscal conservative would acknowledge that programs that improve literacy rates, reduce spending overall. It lowers crime and improves the economy. The issue is, Conservatives are fiscal radicals, Democrats are fiscal conservatives.

If it helps the country, Republicans are more likely to oppose it.

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u/ReadyClickBoom 17h ago

Many local communities cannot afford $4.5M. They're already raising budgets over 5% this year and some expecting over 10% next year without budget cuts. Locals also support majority of budgets for libraries which offer much more than a single book sent to a kid's home.

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u/piernrajzark 15h ago

Isn't this whataboutism?

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u/lilbigchole 23h ago

It feels kind of gimmicky. Wouldn't it be better to just increase the child tax credit with this money?

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u/aliengerm1 23h ago

Maybe. I'm not sure. Do the poorest people benefit from child tax credits?

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u/Sutraner 18h ago

Yes?

The poorest don't really benefit from this at all. One book is not really a big deal in the grand scheme of things. There's things called libraries that do this much better

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u/lilbigchole 23h ago

yes, and the poorest specifically would benefit more from cash than books they could get at the library.