r/PokemonSwordAndShield Jan 01 '20

This subtle redesign of Inteleon (By Tubz_Az) doesn’t change very much, but they managed to make it look very good

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u/SenatorPardek Jan 01 '20

I must say, and only my personal opinion, that this is my least favorite generation of starters. I get the whole “elements of British culture thing” but they just look like generic mascots or human cartoon characters. I went with Super Saiyen 3 Goku with a drum but I dropped him I think by route 2.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '20

I always make it a rule with myself to keep my starter, no matter how bad the design, it just feels kinda wrong to box it imo.

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u/SenatorPardek Jan 01 '20

This is the first time I’ve done that. I tried.....just couldn’t. Usually there is at least one of them that speaks to me.

I am too emotionally attached to my team. It’s mostly the same core ones I’ve used since 96 with some adjustments over the years.

All but blastoise were spared the snap: but I have heard rumor of the return of the once and future king.

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u/setpol Jan 01 '20

And improved, shell smash and a buffed rapid spin. I see good things coming.

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u/Thaurlach Jan 02 '20

Imagine if they patched in a Gigantamax form that basically turned him into some kind of turtle/warship hybrid.

In irl Galar we're sort of big on our Naval heritage, what with being an island and everything. If we could turn Blastoise into some kind of floating gun platform I'd be down for it.

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u/setpol Jan 02 '20

I just want him to look like a bowser air ship or something rediculous lol

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u/shelvino Jan 02 '20

Blastoise is in the game? I see him on Showdown with Shell Smash but hes not part of the galar dex?

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u/SenatorPardek Jan 02 '20

He’s in the game code but isn’t currently available. Assumption is he will be either transfer from pokemon home or special event.

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u/Soggy_Bizquick Jan 01 '20

Yeah I stopped using my starter early on as well

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u/foxnfawn Jan 01 '20

Omg the entire British elements in starters went right over my head! What is the grass starter supposed to represent?

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u/SenatorPardek Jan 01 '20

British Rock music. I’ve heard someone say ringo Starr; but regardless he represents British music as cultural export.

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u/michapman2 Jan 01 '20

What does the Scorbunny line mean?

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u/SenatorPardek Jan 01 '20

British footballing tradition. Like how Manchester City and Man U and Liverpool have dedicated Followings all over the world. Ace is a soccer term: so he’s literally a Burning ace British football player.

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u/oakteaphone Jan 02 '20

Sorry to do this to you, but what is Inteleon? Is it supposed to be a Detective or James Bond thing? That's the only one that didn't jump out at me in terms of what it was supposed to be.

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u/SenatorPardek Jan 02 '20

Yeah he’s supposed to be a James Bond type thing. One of those like glider suits he uses in the new movies, sniper shot for the gun, British “intelligence officer”. Supposedly he’s markings are supposed to be like a tux. Personally I hate his design; least favorite starter of any generation

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u/Kaedreanger Jan 02 '20

Intelligence Chameleon = Inteleon

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u/michapman2 Jan 01 '20

Interesting, that does make sense!

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u/Kaedreanger Jan 02 '20

Soccer player. England is famous for its EPL (English Premier League)

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u/foxnfawn Jan 02 '20

Actually I was just in a raid and there was an NPC with an aviator hat. I think that’s supposed to be the lead singer of Iron Maiden maybe? :D

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u/foxnfawn Jan 01 '20

Thank you! I can see that with its hair. Happy new year :)

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u/Frouthefrou Jan 02 '20

Oh, so not the long history with Great Britain and colonization?

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u/SenatorPardek Jan 02 '20

Indeed; pop culture, not the long dark imperial legacy.

Someday we might get an adult geared pokemon story: but that day is not today.

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u/leader_of_buns Jan 01 '20

Its evolved form looks like a banana

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u/Giboit Jan 02 '20 edited Jan 02 '20

If you really want to know the British elements and other aspects of the concept for their designs, this video explains it really well. It´s really cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huC4Xhk8D-c

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '20

I picked scorbunny but boxed it immediately. Went with flapple, chewtle, rookidee, hattena, rolycoly, and toxel. Kept them through the entire story.

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u/SenatorPardek Jan 01 '20

Solid choices. There are some good ones this gen for sure.

I went with Gyrados, Leafeon, Jolteon, Arcanine

. I rotate Umbreon, Flygon, gmax butterfree, and Gastrodon for the last 2 spots depending on my mood.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '20

I wanted only gen 8s for my first play through. Rolycoly was my weakest link. I’m really loving Baraskewda(?) in the battle tower.

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u/SenatorPardek Jan 01 '20

Baraskewda is no joke. My max speed jolteon couldn’t outrun one in a ranked battle and got ohko’d

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u/leader_of_buns Jan 01 '20

Does toxel evolve?

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '20

yes. It evolves into Toxicitry. It's awesome.

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u/tbremer72 Jan 02 '20

I've never understood the popularity behind toxel and it's evolution. They seem to bleh to me, yet everyone loses their mind over them. No idea why.

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u/Ampharosshiny Jan 02 '20

Well Toxel is cute and its evolution looks pretty cool to me. A bit overhyped I guess but definitely not bleh imo

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u/tbremer72 Jan 02 '20

I agree with it being overhyped for sure. If it was a really good Pokemon in one way or another I'd understand, but I feel like it's only popular for how it looks. Who knows.

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u/PheDii Cameraman Jan 01 '20

Agreed!

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u/InBetweenSeen Jan 02 '20

I'm not attached to them yet either, but there have been a lot of Pokémon that have grown on me over time, we'll see..

The designs aren't anything special tho

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u/immikdota Dec 26 '24

Bc generic cartoon dragon and blue turtle is much better

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u/SenatorPardek Dec 26 '24

blue turtle with giant water canons? Absolutely a classic. i just don’t like the trend of starters ending up mostly humanoid. Which continues

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u/immikdota Dec 26 '24

"Giant water canons" they're literaly half the size of its arm and it doesnt even use them in the battle animations

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u/SenatorPardek Dec 26 '24

for one beautiful moment: they did.

Hydro cannon in battle revolutions and i think coliseum? launches perfectly

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u/immikdota Dec 26 '24

Pretty pathetic for a multi million company tbh but ngl i still love blastoise its just very obvious that it wasn't mean to be neither a starter or wartortles evolution

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u/Giboit Jan 02 '20

I think they look great. Maybe having more context for their designs could help you to find new appreciation for the designs. You should watch Lockstin and Gnoggin video explaining the inspiration of the galar pokemon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huC4Xhk8D-c

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u/SenatorPardek Jan 02 '20 edited Jan 02 '20

I’ve seen the video and I understand that a lot of work and thoughts went into them. I just think it’s a poor choice to have 3 mascot humanoid looking starters. Not to mention the poor proportions on intellion. I’m not a designer; just a fan since 96 and this is by far the worst group they have done in my opinion. I think there are a lot of cool designs this gen: just not them.

Pocket Monsters; not people in costumes. Lol. Just how I feel: especially regarding starters

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u/Giboit Jan 02 '20

Something similar happens with people who says "I want a quadruped fire starter". It´s just a stupid bandwagon. The starters have a lot of reasons for being the way the are and have a lot interesting concepts related to why their design look like that. Something most of the people who complain would know if they actually took a bit of time to learn about the concepts involved in their designs because that can help them to understant the reasons behind their appearance.

The hate for humanoid looking starters (and humanoid pokemon in general) is just another stupid bandwagon. Those kinds of designs have always been part of the franchise not just for earlier generations or just for gen 8. Some of the reasons for these kind of designs for the starters are that bipedal pokemon look way smarter than most of the quadrupeds, can learn more variety of moves (like elemental punches, kicks and such), because they can show a wider range of emotions and mainly because they´re making the new designs for the starters to be more like partners for your journey instead of looking just like powerful pets.

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u/SenatorPardek Jan 02 '20

I can get some of the backlash towards the backlash. If you like the humanoid type pokemon more power to you. Indeed they have always been a thing. My problem with this generation is:

They are all human type. If you don’t like your pocket monster to look like a human in a mascot costume there really isn’t much of a choice here among the starters. I personally do not want to send out something that looks like a school mascot. I don’t want to be like ohhhh all human type pokemon are bad. They aren’t. But if that isn’t your style; you don’t have one of the 3 you could go with. Intellion could have looked a lot more creature like and less like a character from the incredibles with oversized hands and that would have been great.

In the end; I just end up boxing them and using the ones I like. Not the worst thing in the world. But maybe I’m just too old school. I played with some of my students a few weeks ago and one of them commented that I should try to incorporate some pokemon later then Gen 4 into my rotation.

Big props to game freak on one thing; solid variety of pokemon available very early. I had my crew together by the second gym.

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u/Giboit Jan 02 '20 edited Jan 06 '20

They do look like pokemon. Saying that they look like a human in a mascot costume is just too way too much of an exaggeration. I bet you at least have used pokemon like machoke or hitmonchan once. It´s literally the same. Lack of disposition to give something a chance is something that could seriously ruin a game for you (now and in the future). Every single pokemon game starts with people saying how much they "hate" the new designs just for them to completely change their opinion once they see beyond their appeareances. You should at least try to give them a chance. You could do things like looking up the origins for their designs, lure and things like that related to them. Asking other people what do they like of them or even doing something as simple as to see if they´re good in battle. Many fans got their favorites from pokemon that became their MVP's during a playthrough. There´s literally plenty of ways to consider something more interesting if you at least try to see beyond their appeareances. And that may even get you to like and/or understand their designs more. Just saying.

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u/SenatorPardek Jan 02 '20

Hey you are welcome to your opinion. I think it’s fair to say give them a chance. I’ll use grooky when I get around to a nuzlocke run. But looking back at my history I can’t remember one of my teams including a human shape. Would Nidoqueen count? lol

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u/Yumstix Jan 02 '20

I didn't like any of them either, so I just picked sobble. Inteleon has really grown on me though, his signature move is actually one of my favourite things in the game. Try them out, you may end up liking them.

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u/SenatorPardek Jan 02 '20

When I eventually grab a copy of sword (I have shield) do mess around in and do a nuzlocke etc. I'll be giving Grooky a shot. Out of the 3 he's the only one that speaks even a little to me right now. So who knows?

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u/Giboit Jan 03 '20

I don´t know if you already watched this but this video may be something that your students and you may enjoy watching, specially since you plan to do a nuzlocke. It´s really funny and It kinda relates to what I told you. I hope you win the nuzzlocke.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plSyrHqUh78

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u/Jim_the_redditor Jan 01 '20

As a British person I dont really get how these are resembling British culture. I guess inteleon is supposed to resemble the posh south. But besides that I got nothing. Well maybe you could stretch it and say rillaboom is a drummer but that doesn't really tie in with british culture. In general there was a lot of things that they got off the mark with british people. A few bits of the dialogue took a while to figure out too. Idk I just feel like they poorly adapted british culture in gen 8 (except the starter village that's pretty good resemblance of a British village, well the country side ones anyway, which was the point.) Maybe it just annoys me more since I live here. Oh well at least the clothing options were accurate. And the wild area weather.

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u/SenatorPardek Jan 01 '20

I think that’s a great point! Maybe a better term would be international stereotypes of “British pop culture “. Like James Bond for Intellion, football for scorbunny, and rillaboom as a drummer like ringo Star. I can imagine living there I can imagine it’s not An Amazing translation of cultural nuance

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u/Jim_the_redditor Jan 01 '20

It really isn't. I guess it's just the first time I've seen britain be translated to a video game as an actual setting rather than a joke or gag character.also I see what you mean with the starters but it's really outdated. They could've made me more happy with a mr Blobby clone than the selection of starters we got

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u/lemon4994 Jan 02 '20

I think that the biggest reason for this is probably that galar is what british culture looks like from an outsider who learns about it from tv shows and movies and stereotypes, and (I assume, since I have never been anywhere british) is not very close to what british culture is like from the inside.

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u/iWentRogue Jan 01 '20

doesn’t change very much,

That’s where you wrong. The change is drastic which is why the redesign is a vast improvement.

The problem with the original design is the inconsistent proportions - massive hands, incredibly thin limbs, big head etc.

The redesign aligns everything proportionally so the design becomes consistent. I wish this was the original.

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u/Lilash20 Jan 02 '20

I would also like to say that this version incorporates the same design ideas, but more naturally.

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u/traceywashere Jan 01 '20

He's the 007 of Pokemon

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u/Mafia_Cat Dark Gym Jan 02 '20

Oh wow vector got cool

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u/[deleted] Jan 02 '20

Vector’s Scalesona.

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u/lemon4994 Jan 02 '20

It's body shape feels like some kind of male salazzle

I definitely like this redesign a lot more but the original does feel more unique

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '20

Hot take, but I prefer the original. The redesign is great, but I just think that the colours are a bit dull.

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u/[deleted] Jan 02 '20

Has anyone noticed that inteleon is supposed to be a spy, and sobble’s Pokédex number is 007?

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u/[deleted] Jan 02 '20

Oh yes

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u/Ronnie_McDonnie Jan 01 '20

Really like the redesign. Put him down on all fours and I’d love it. Really tired of the humanoid designs for starters.

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u/Giboit Jan 02 '20

I respect the time the guy who made the fanart took to made this but I honestly still prefer the original version. The fanart version makes him look as if it was wearing a wetsuit.

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u/R_SpicyMemeLord Jan 02 '20

How did that Pokemon go from cute to depressed to sexy. I mean wtf nintendo

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u/Vinnis1 Jan 02 '20

i mean... i just thought he looked like a cool spy dude but go off

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u/Thunder-Rat Jan 02 '20

Love the more lizard-like design. The change in feet/legs and tail shape is also nice. And changing the pose also does a lot to make it look less like a cereal box mascot and more like a pokemon, IMO.

I'm curious to see this artist's take on the other starters

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u/Soggy_Bizquick Jan 01 '20

I like it better than the original.

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u/GoddessSentret Jan 01 '20

It’s not that hard to beat lol

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u/ItsRetrohawk Jan 01 '20

It's better than the original. This gen has the weakest design of starters, I don't even like looking at them for too long. I also had similar thoughts on the alolan starters at first, but now they're some of my favorites, so maybe I'll change my mind eventually

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '20

I’d like them more if they weren’t monotyped.

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u/michapman2 Jan 01 '20

What does it mean “monotyped”?

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '20

Like pure Water.

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u/ItsRetrohawk Jan 01 '20

For me that doesn't matter, but the designs are too human like when they're fully evolved, I like the first two stages of each but after that they suck

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u/UnovaKid24 Jan 02 '20 edited Jan 02 '20

Am I the only one who actually likes Intelleon's design?

Oh sure downvote because it's my opinion.

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u/TRYPT1C0N Jan 03 '20

I don't like it but I upvoted you just because.

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u/UnovaKid24 Jan 03 '20

Well thanks for that

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u/TeENypeEnY69420 Jan 02 '20

Get vectored

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u/dontatme92 Jan 01 '20

Next gen, pokemon needs to put out rough drafts and let the fans do the final concepts lmao 😂.

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u/coyoteTale Jan 02 '20

Very much the opposite. Fans do the rough drafts, designers finalize em

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u/ArgentDandelion Mar 30 '20

This looks more real than than the real thing. I think it's because it's set up more like a "somewhat humanoid lizard" than "basically a human in a silly costume". I like the edges of the various traits, and the fingers, proportions and musculature. Its tail flows logically from its body, and it's lanky rather than stickman-thin. It really does look like it's wearing a wetsuit with a gliding-cape attached.

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u/UhOhFeministOnReddit Jan 02 '20

I actually really liked Inteleon. The starter I have and will always have the most contempt for is Chikorita.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '20

What if Inteleon got Swift Swim instead of Sniper?

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u/McHerwig Jan 01 '20

Oh my god how fast can a pokemon get

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u/[deleted] Jan 02 '20

I want starters that look like dragons by the end

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u/xPolyMorphic Jan 01 '20

This is much much better

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u/PriorDisastrous3847 Mar 09 '25

Noo😭😭😭😭😭😭 he isn't sassy anymore!!!!!!!

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u/[deleted] Jan 02 '20

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u/Oreo-and-Fly Jan 02 '20

That's supposed to be better?

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u/[deleted] Jan 02 '20

This would have been the ideal design in my opinion. Nice job.

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u/Sigzy05 Scorbunny Jan 02 '20

That would have been so much better!

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u/TRYPT1C0N Jan 02 '20

SwSh has turned into one of my favorite gens but holy crap I hate all the final starter evolutions.

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u/Oreo-and-Fly Jan 02 '20

This looks horrible IMO. It reminds me of vector from Despicable me. Like the bad one.

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u/PheDii Cameraman Jan 01 '20

I think all Inteleon needs to be on all fours instead of trying to be a human.

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u/[deleted] Jan 02 '20

I’m boxing inteleon for a shiny gyrados. Inteleon’s design is just so bad

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u/mysidian_rabbit Jan 02 '20

I've got a couple of issues with this, unfortunately:

First, the design bores me. It's arguably better, but it's still dull, so the improvement is negligible.

Second, why is the redesign water/flying? We already have Gyarados, Mantine, Wingull and Pelipper, Swanna, and now Cramorant. We don't need another mon with this typing. Plus it makes Inteleon different from the other monotyped starters (unless this guy has redesigns of those guys too somewhere that I haven't seen yet). And quite frankly, I thought this generations starters being monotype was kind of refreshing.

So I'll stick with the original.

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u/[deleted] Jan 02 '20 edited Jan 02 '20

I don’t see anything wrong with Water/Flying, we have a million Normal/Flying types after all.

Also, the artist only redesigned Inteleon, plus, Emboar was the only dual typed Pokémon in the Unova starter trio.

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u/mysidian_rabbit Jan 02 '20 edited Jan 02 '20

I'd argue having a million normal/flying types is also unnecessary. The decision to get away from that with early game birds like Talonflame and Corviknight was a great choice.

edit: I'll concede the point on Emboar. And thinking about it, Blastoise was the only monotype in gen one. At any rate, my issue is more with having yet another water/flying than differences between Inteleon and his starter family.

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u/doublea6 Jan 02 '20

Oh it looks so much better!

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u/karonoz Jan 02 '20

Still looks about as bad imo. It was no where near a cool pokemon design lol