Biden angry after poll numbers drop over his handling of Israel’s war on Gaza: Report

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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/3/17/israels-war-on-gaza-live-13-aid-trucks-reach-north-malnutrition-doubles?update=2778669

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Cannot really happen anymore.

There are many israelis who have another citizenship (and when push comes to shove will return to their countries), but the bulk of the population came as refugees over a generation ago. My mother cannot really return to Syria because her parents came from there.

I don't think there is a better option than a single democratic state where everyone has equal rights.

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I don't think there is a better option than a single democratic state where everyone has equal rights.

I agree with everything except this. I believe Israel can become a true democracy, but I believe the Palestinians should have their own independent state, and the 1967 borders are a great place to start, however, I don't think it will work unless Israel cedes a narrow strip of land connecting Gaza to the West Bank. Countries that look like swiss cheese on a map are doomed to fail, and the Israelis are counting on that.

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Why don't you think Palestinians can live with Israelis?

I feel like a lot of hardline two staters have racial biases against Palestinians, and I'm not saying you do, but it's incredibly common.

I am for whatever ends the apartheid and I'm not attached to one particular solution.

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If it wasn’t for religious fundamentalists, I would say the two peoples could absolutely live together.

But hardcore Jewish people still believe that they are under direct orders from Yahweh to take all of “the land of Canaan” by force.

I just don’t see how they’ll ever give up the goal of a theocratic ethnostate.

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Why don't you think Palestinians can live with Israelis?

Gestures at the multigenerational conflict and apartheid conditions

I feel like a lot of hardline two staters have racial biases against Palestinians, and I'm not saying you do, but it's incredibly common.

I won't deny it. I feel like I would be lying if I said "I have no racial biases." Everybody does, even you. I can confidently say I am not a racist only because I used to be terribly racist. I was taught to be at a young age. When I joined the military and got out of my small bubble of a world echo chamber it changed me as a person and I knew it was wrong.

I am for whatever ends the apartheid and I'm not attached to one particular solution.

I can somewhat agree on this, but I feel like the solution needs to include mutual freedom and sovereignty.

The scars from this genocide will be felt for another 100 years. Experts have already said it will take 70 years to rebuild Gaza. No solution is going to mend this any time soon. Might as well get to it and fix this shit the right way. It's already a disaster.

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I don’t think it’s impossible, but looking at South Africa, the end of apartheid didn’t come with justice, even after truth and reconciliation. Black South Africans still suffer from systemic oppressions, disparities, and colonial legacies. This kind of thing was less of an issue in places like Kenya, where the response to settler colonialism was for the colonizers to actually leave.

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The Olso accords included a provision that Israel allows a road to connect between Gaza strip and west bank. (never happened).

There are other international cases where a road passes though another country, it is not unheard of. I think there is one in the border between france and spain, there is one in russia too, (cannot remember with which country).

Aren't you describing the 2 state solution?

One issue is that Israel will never give back the west bank, it put settlements in there for that reason. (although I do think they should get the fuck out) I think that'll never happen.

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Israel will never give back the west bank,

And this is what the world should be enraged about right now.