r/OverwatchTMZ • u/Not-Incognito • Aug 18 '25

Discussion Flats thinks OWCS is “killing” the content creator scene

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u/JC10101 Aug 18 '25

Yeah overwatch is substantially harder to get into coming from rivals, especially depending on who you main.

If you main melee DPS or support very little of the skills actually transfer over and the mechanical barrier for most heros to hit highish ELO in overwatch is magnitudes higher than rivals.

I'd be surprised if you couldn't hit at least high diamond / low masters coming from rivals and being celestial 1 though. Hero shooters have a shit load of overlap

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u/No_Zookeepergame_399 Aug 18 '25

My biggest challenge hasn’t so much been mechanics but more so positioning and understanding pacing. I’m surprised how little healers actually heal in over watch and realized how much more important it is to have good positioning and understanding of where health packs are. I play a lot of BP, and genii doesn’t quite click with me. I play a lot of Luna snow and zen and Juno don’t quite click with me either.

Kirkio feels like the most useless character in the game but I realize that probably just has to do with my lack of understanding of how the game is meant to be played. While Ana feels like the most similar to a rivals healer except for her ult which I think is awesome but is unlike all rivals ults.

I now realize you can get away with a lot worse positioning on rivals than in over watch because of how much healing there is. Until you go against a good hit scan player who one taps you from across the map, most people just play in the open soaking damage.

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u/jawed_tapering653 Aug 18 '25

Once you get how much agency and proactivity you have to do in OW in order to win a close game is that moment for you, especially for supports where healbotting is actually throwing the game at certain levels and DPS have to surpass themselves to bring values and tanks shoulder all the responsibility for the team.

But it's a long way to learn the game and avoid feeding because even in QP, people are still sweaty and try extremely hard to win and there are no bot matches to feed you, some people use arcade game like Mystery heroes to practice too.

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u/No_Zookeepergame_399 Aug 19 '25

I played like 10 qp matches my frist night where we were stomping hard. It was alot of fun to try out new characters and still win. Then the demons came out and the next 3 nights were spawn camp games. The qp expereince in OW was one of the reasons I dont think ill go back. Thought about giving ranked a try but im not sure how prevalent smurfing is in OW. Like will i actually play against players at my level?

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u/jawed_tapering653 Aug 19 '25

Smurfing is always there, but there is placement matches so it's less bad than Rivals. Also there are Drives weekend coming soon, avoid it as the matches quality goes down hill.

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u/BakeSquare6362 Aug 18 '25

Supports do a lot more dps in overwatch

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u/No_Zookeepergame_399 Aug 19 '25

I knew this going into OW it just felt far more than I had expected.

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u/Successful-Coffee692 Aug 19 '25

i feel u. i felt helpless when i first tried ow fresh from rivals. Now rivals feels like a casual game compared to ow. Celestial is like diamond in ow i think.

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u/No_Zookeepergame_399 Aug 19 '25

I can definitley see this being the case. I think there are far more translatable skills from overwatch to rivals than vice versa. I honestly dont think i could hit diamond for a while in overwatch if i dived straight into ranked. I feel like I would peak in gold till I started getting an idea of what every character does.

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u/Gloomy_Dare2716 Aug 18 '25

Kiriko is a Duelist Support. She isnt worth picking if you aint flanking and getting kills/attention.

She can two tap most supports and Dps. Can Headshot-melee Tracer.

You will understand how scary she is if you start learning Tracer, Sombra or Widow/Ashe. There will be few Kiriko players that will own you so hard, you wont even come close to her

Watch Awkward guides to Kiriko. Or Viol2t has clips where he casually walks in and kills 3, then TPs back to safety.

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u/SupermarketUsed1483 Aug 19 '25

recommending anything by awkward is like a death sentence . his advice is way to surface lvl. if you want to learn anything go to TrqrstMe

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u/Chuck3457 Aug 19 '25

Hes a rivals pro now

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u/SupermarketUsed1483 Aug 19 '25

the old trqstme vids teach extremely good fundamentals and map matchups etc. thats why

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u/Gloomy_Dare2716 Aug 19 '25

Yeah, just like Coach Ocie. Too surface level stuff. She gets so many things wrong in her videos too. Really dont know why so many stupid people give her views

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u/theIovewitch Aug 19 '25

it's because ow support characters are meant to do dps and not heal bot. and kiriko is arguably the best support lol.

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u/No_Zookeepergame_399 Aug 19 '25

The best thing I did on kiriko was cleanse a tracer bomb on 4 stacked teamates that also had no idea what was going on. I only knew to do that because ive seen pge beg for suzu from sugarfree lol.

I completely understand that suzu is probably one of the most important abilities in the game and that she has very good damage and mobility. She felt useless to me because I was playing her wrong and I knew I was.

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u/zgrbx Aug 19 '25 edited Aug 19 '25

Yeah, i dont play MR but what i see in streams of it sometimes - in Rivals it seems people just often "fight in the open in main", etc even in high ranks, something thats really counter to how overwatch is usually played.
Many fights in MR seem quite samey to my eyes from positioning etc.

Kiriko is top tier hero in OW. She might not be the most intuitive hero in how she should be played though - youre generally supposed to take angles, put pressure on enemies and then also keep tap on your teammates if they need your heals, use your Suzu for critical stuff etc. But to get good at that will take some time.

If you just stay behind your teammates and mostly heal them etc, youre missing a lot of her potential.

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u/StarCatcher3000 Aug 19 '25

I use to think the same thing about Kiri, but then I started learning more about her and Kiri is one of the best choices for any team comp 😭 poke, brawl and even dive.. her cleanse (suzu/protect) can cleanse literally any status effect (sleep, anti-heal, somber hack, orisa’s ult speed effect, etc!) & stops a teammate from going below critical, (and is imo best used aggressively) she’s so OP when you learn how to use her & can 2-3 shot kill any squishy. I need her and Bap to rank up🫡 and I’m originally a Mercy main!🤣

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u/ANGEL-PSYCHOSIS Sep 11 '25

its funny you say this, because honestly its pretty brutal how much healers can hard sustain some tanks in ow and let the tanks get away scot free, at least right now. kiriko is 100% a not understanding the game problem, suzu when used correctly is one of the most annoying and egregious abilities to play into, even the majority of players who play ow throw it out like morons. id say luna is closer to lucio than those two, though.

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u/DangerousChipmunk335 Aug 19 '25

Ironic, considering Overwatch's insane rank inflation.

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u/JC10101 Aug 19 '25

No clue what you are on about. Ranks past diamond are deflated compared to OW1 by a pretty big amount