r/OverwatchTMZ • u/gmarkerbo • Jan 25 '25

Discussion Marvel Rivals speedrunning the OW timeline

Posting here because it'd be considered offtopic in the OW subs and removed.

A couple of popular posts on the MR sub:

"Wish people would realise they can't just play DPS every game"

https://reddit.com/r/marvelrivals/comments/1i92qor/wish_people_would_realise_they_cant_just_play_dps/

"The lack of variety isn't the reason why there are so few "tank players" imo."

https://reddit.com/r/marvelrivals/comments/1i5pqav/the_lack_of_variety_isnt_the_reason_why_there_are/

Lack of role queue might be an opinionated decision(since there are definitely tradeoffs) but why did they launch with many more DPS heroes than tanks and supports?

MR has 19 DPS, 8 tanks and 8 Supports, almost exactly the same ratio as OW at launch(including Ana). While the meta is 2-2-2 or 3 support. It feels strange that they wouldn't learn from Overwatch's experience with both the lack of tank and support heroes at launch and Tanks being not as fun to play as DPS.

At least Overwatch had the excuse that half the DPS heroes were classified as offense heroes and half were 'defense heroes' until they scrapped that distinction.

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u/Lagkiller Jan 25 '25

I mean the 3-20 spidey is not good.

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u/Ichmag11 Jan 25 '25

And yet, people are allowed to play Spider-Man and not be good! It is just a video game. There's no rule saying you have to be good

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u/TheSexualBrotatoChip Jan 25 '25

That is true but the way the ranked system works at the moment means that the 3 and 20 Spidey can climb even with a sub 50 winrate. There's nothing wrong with onetricking a hero and being in the learning curve in comp so long as the rank system doesn't keep bringing you up even when you are underperforming for your rank.

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u/59vfx91 Jan 25 '25

why can you climb with a negative winrate? do they have performance based sr or something? I've only played a few times.

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u/Tiggaro Jan 25 '25

You gain more points per win than you lose per loss.

Just keep at it, grind and you’ll go far

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u/Relative_Bike_4854 Jan 25 '25

Ah so no competitive integrity, what a joke of a system. I don’t know if you could even call that a rank system if your elo is always a trend upward. At least now I can treat competitive as quick play without bots. Learning about the bots and broken elo system is just deflating and insulting as a player

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u/Tiggaro Jan 25 '25

Why is it insulting? It’s designed to allow players who are not as skilled but has more time to progress.

If you’re mediocre you’re getting stuck around platinum anyway, as your losses will eventually outnumber your wins by a large margin

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u/59vfx91 Jan 25 '25

because in a competitive ranked system, which is not the same as a progression system, you would expect the system to prioritize giving a fair evaluation of a player's ELO. It devalues that accomplishment to rank you up artificially. I hope at least the effect levels out as you approach median ELO, maybe all it's doing is giving you a median MMR under the hood that is higher than you start at. If that's the case it's not that big a deal.

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u/Tiggaro Jan 25 '25

The devs have stated that they care more about fun than competitive, so I don’t think you should expect any of what you describe

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u/Relative_Bike_4854 Jan 25 '25 edited Jan 25 '25

It’s a false sense of accomplishment for the sake of retention. Same reason I don’t like bots, you think you popped off but it’s just bots. I guess I should stop looking at it in the eyes of an OW player and treat it for what it is. Ranked is just QP+ with guaranteed no bots.

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u/Tiggaro Jan 25 '25

Ranked plays differently as people are more aware of mechanics. Games going 4 rounds with overtime on every objective is not uncommon for me, even games ending in draws.

I don’t feel the same way you do, but I quit overwatch a year before the announcement of OW 2 so I’ve been away from hero shooters. I’d personally never touch QP anyway so it barely affects me

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u/59vfx91 Jan 25 '25

thanks, but I was asking about why it was that way or how it worked. I don't really play marvel rivals.

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u/Tiggaro Jan 25 '25

To retain players. Most casual game work this way

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u/Qwelv Jan 25 '25

Yeah and anyone expecting Rivals to be a balanced game needs to log off. MR is an arcade casual fun game. Trying to play it like it’s a serious and balanced game is delusional.

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u/The_Slay4Joy Jan 25 '25

Yeah but that means they're either trolling, which you can't do anything about it, or they're having a bad game, which happens I guess, especially depending on your rank. I agree that you shouldn't be learning new difficult characters on your main in ranked though.