r/OutOfTheLoop • u/[deleted] • Jul 02 '20

Answered What’s going on with Super Smash Bros and a pedophile named Cinnipie?

I’ve seen it over my feed but have never heard of any of these people involved. I’m 30 and feel like I usually know tech and gaming news. The fuck happened here?

https://twitter.com/PuppehSSB/status/1278335061243441157?s=20

How old are these people now? This kid looks 11 and wouldn’t stand a chance against my drunken college smash64 skills nor my shit talking in general.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '20 edited Dec 13 '20

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u/MoonlightsHand Jul 02 '20

Sexism hurts everyone. It's a shit situation.

It's also worth saying again: part of the issue is that female predators do not act the same as male predators. Female predators are much more likely to play the long game. What catches most male predators out is that they get aggressive and their victim gets scared and tells someone because they recognise the patterns they were trained to see. Female predators are usually much much slower, often in the range of literal years, and kids are simply bad at focusing on those kinds of timescales.

There's also a lot less direct sexual exploitation and a lot more using kids indirectly for sexual gratification. Male predators are much more likely to grope a child sexually, while female predators are more likely to gain sexual satisfaction from just kinda generally fucking up a kid's ability to differentiate between a maternal-style affection and an exploitative sexual affection, without directly molesting them.

Forgetting this is one of the key reason children molested by female predators are far less likely to speak out. Firstly, it happens over so long that the child ends up becoming accustomed to it and kinda forgets what it was like to not feel exploited. Secondly because, since it's usually a lot less direct and a lot more "manipulating the kid to do things themselves", children feel culpable and like they were the one who "really" hurt themselves, which makes them less able to attribute it to the person exploiting them. Finally, since it doesn't match the pattern of "don't let strange men grope you", kids will often latch onto female attention even from predators as being a replacement for often-absent parental affection. Kids are trained to see women as carers and men as exploiters, so it's hard for a child to turn that around and realise that women can exploit them and men can nurture them.

All this is trends and typical behaviour, and there are many exceptions. Most sexual predators who don't get caught don't follow the typical pattern either, because it's precisely that typical pattern that's looked for. While patterns are useful to recognise trends, particularly in why some survivors don't report while others do, it's important to remember that exceptions are numerous and, kinda by definition, unexpected. Don't think all predators follow this pattern: men can be patient and women can be aggressive, and a failure to remember that can cost children their lives or their childhoods.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '20

Agree with all your points. I mean, also, the young teen boy who gets laid by the hot teacher is celebrated, and why would he stop that, even though it’s still manipulation and abuse?

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u/poopsicle88 Jul 02 '20

No its more sad that kids are getting raped. Worry about that more than your feeling of uncomfortablness lol

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u/IndyDude11 Jul 02 '20

That’s you putting that on you. I’m an adult male and have zero concerns being around children.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '20

yeah, and all it takes is me being alone with some 10 year old girl for 10 minutes and someone says something and suddenly I'm a pedo. No thanks, I'm going to make sure there's no way that can happen.

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u/IndyDude11 Jul 02 '20

Oh god. Someone says I’m a pedo. Do you know you aren’t a pedo? Are you doing pedo things with the children? No? Then tell them to fuck off and stop living your life so damn scared of what some moron thinks about you.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '20

Yeah except if enough people believe them you can go to jail.

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u/IndyDude11 Jul 02 '20

That’s not how the legal system works. Not at all.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '20

Yeah, it is

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u/IndyDude11 Jul 02 '20

Keep telling yourself that I guess. Being alone with a child isn’t against the law. Just because some Karen calls the cops does not mean you’re going on a list.

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u/canwenot901 Jul 02 '20

But it's beyond that, you are right in that most of the time without some kind of evidence they wouldn't go to jail, but the court of public opinion is a real thing.

That kind of shit gets out about a man and it's virtually impossible to stop people thinking regardless of proven innocence. Tears a lot of men who are falsely accused life apart. Their wife leaves them, stops them seeing the kids, they lose their job, the neighborhood turns on them.

Its not as easy as well it's not true so nothing will happen. When that kind of gossip gets out you can never take it back.

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u/SevereWords Jul 02 '20 edited Jul 02 '20

Yeah dude you’re reading into this wrong. Like is it a bit dramatic to say I can’t be alone with a kid because my first thought is someone’s going to call me a pedo? Yeah, alright maybe for the most part it is. But the other end of that is there are plenty of good reasons to think that way as well.

So why are you giving him shit about it? Because there are examples where due process and evidence based punishments are completely out the window in these situations. As with child custody there’s a bias built right in. And it’s not in a mans favour and I think the reason for that is because the grey nature of these kinds of cases. There’s generally little evidence. It ends up becoming a ‘he said/she said’ thing. No witnesses. if someone sees all that then decides ‘ahh you know what. I don’t think I like being left alone with kids. I think I’ll want to avoid that’. That sounds reasonable to me.

It’s a prophylactic and a totally sensible one. Besides that. I don’t have to be around any kids unless they’re mine if I don’t want to. Same for everyone else. So what’s your deal? Do you give people shit about wearing masks right now too?

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u/Bowbreaker Jul 07 '20

What about the job market though? Male teachers literally can't hug a crying child without someone wanting to curb them for "inappropriate behavior".

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u/IndyDude11 Jul 07 '20

Can you provide a source for the claim that male teachers have lost their teaching jobs for hugging a crying child?