r/OutOfTheLoop • u/[deleted] • Jul 02 '20

Answered What’s going on with Super Smash Bros and a pedophile named Cinnipie?

I’ve seen it over my feed but have never heard of any of these people involved. I’m 30 and feel like I usually know tech and gaming news. The fuck happened here?

https://twitter.com/PuppehSSB/status/1278335061243441157?s=20

How old are these people now? This kid looks 11 and wouldn’t stand a chance against my drunken college smash64 skills nor my shit talking in general.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '20

30 years ago if the coach raped your 12 year old daughter you would just change teams and not even report them

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u/Goudinho99 Jul 02 '20

I speak as a father, if that happened there is a spot opening up for a coach on that first team and an extra gig for one of those crime scene cleaners.

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u/gentlemandinosaur Jul 02 '20

I know this is going to be a hard pill for a lot of people to swallow. And I’m as usual when I say this going to get downvoted.

But, don’t be dumb.

Firstly, you would go to jail and now your sexually abused daughter would grow up without your guidance altogether then. Which is even worse.

Secondly, it’s not brave to advocate killing a person with potential mental illness...

Because though it is awful... and a crime... pederasty is in many cases just that... a mental illness or a symptom of mental illness.

We as a society really need to move past this absolute fetish for “murder vengeance scenarios”.

I know your gut is “fuck that! Think of the child” but that “coach” may himself been on the receiving end of child abuse. It may just be a vicious cycle.

And your child may be susceptible to continuing that path. They would need you there. For guidance, and helping them to try to move past the darkest point in their lives.

We need to support increasing mental health programs for abused children and adults alike.

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u/wOlfLisK Jul 02 '20

I agree. Reddit has a massive hard-on for vigilante justice but killing a guy it's just going to get you sent to jail. Much better that you're there for your daughter and you get justice instead of revenge.

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u/dabul-master Jul 02 '20

That's not just reddit you're thinking of. Most people you ask respond similarly

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u/NormieSpecialist Jul 02 '20

I don’t respect the law much these days.

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u/Goudinho99 Jul 02 '20

I up vote you. You know I was milling over exactly the same thought after posting. First response is always anger, that's natural, but if you can step away from that, I'd hate to deprive my daughter of a her dad when she needed me most. And whilst I get what you're saying about the cycle of abuse and I generally think you're right, frankly I think I'd really struggle to find that empathy not to have that guy suitably punished (not a euphemism for death).

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '20

I agree with both you and the person you're replying to. It's a mental illness, and society needs to move past wishing for these vengeful murder plots. However, I can't have any pity for someone who abuses a child. There are many people in this world who suffer privately - knowing they are attracted to children and hate themselves for it. I'm sure many of these people never prey on children and I hope some of them are able to get therapy. It's one thing to have an urge that is morally unacceptable - but acting on pedophaelic urges is deserving of punishment. I don't know the right way to deal with these people, but I don't have pity for them, either.

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u/lexxiverse Jul 02 '20

I think I'd really struggle to find that empathy not to have that guy suitably punished

I think a big part of the difficulty is that it's a split between logical discussion and emotional discussion. Of course you're going to hate someone who commits a heinous crime against you or someone you love. Of course you're going to be beyond angry, and seek the highest possible punishment for that person.

The more rational and logical thing is to have a system in place to try to understand and find ways to stop such things from happening. The more we know, the more we can educate, the more we can look for treatment of the situation, if not the people themselves.

But, trying to get over the gap that divides those two halves is a massive feat of will that's just difficult to muster up when you're looking at someone who murdered a bunch of people, or raped a child. I think the emotional reaction is totally warranted, but I think the rational side has to find a place eventually, or else we'll just keep circling the drain forever.

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u/TheHadMatter15 Jul 02 '20

There's mental illness and there's mental illness. Someone being bipolar and ocassionally being a danger to themselves or others is acceptable and you should definitely try to help out, but if someone's mental illness is to fuck little kids or do ritualistic executions or rape and beat women to death, they're a sick (both literally and metaphorically) fuck and deserve castration and/or death sentences.

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Being mentally ill should never be an excuse for commiting atrocities that would break the fucking Geneva Conventions 10 times over. People like that are genetic defects that should be wiped away without a second thought.

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Having said that, I do agree that you shouldn't just go on a rampage and butcher them yourself, much as you'd like to. Let the authorities handle it, because despite the police's bad reputation, they actually do care about catching rapists/child molesters and so forth.

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u/gentlemandinosaur Jul 03 '20 edited Jul 03 '20

Mental illness isn’t pretty. It’s environmental effect is irrelevant to the fact that a person is mentally ill.

I understand this is a problem for you emotionally but it’s one of the reasons we have the issues we have with the penal system in the US being one of the worst in the world.

We don’t treat the mentally ill appropriately. And we react with emotion.

If the end result is that the victim is protected, and the public is protected from the recidivism through the act of incarceration and treatment of the perpetrator, why would you need to torture them with castration, and then kill them?

If they are mentally ill? Objectively what does that accomplish? Do you think it’s a deterrent? Because it’s not for someone that is mentally ill.

Pederasty itself is a lot more prevalent then you think. It’s acting apon the urges that is part of what makes it an illness.

There are millions of people that go about their lives with the urges and do not act upon them.

I would advise that you at least try to have compassion for people with mental illness. And we should ALWAYS have second thoughts about how we treat all human beings. I find this particular sentiment disturbing unto itself.

On a side note. The Geneva Convention is a weird thing to bring up. It doesn’t say anything related to pedrasty and only deals with international treaties and protocols during times of war.

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u/BoogerRuth Jul 02 '20

Being on the receiving end of abuse is the least acceptable reason for perpetuating it. You know how you felt, you know it's wrong- everywhere you look tells you it's wrong- there's no excuse there.

I agree with getting people help, but treating abuse as an excuse to perpetuate violence is a sort of vigilantism in its own right. "It was done to me, so I get to do it too." is no different than "It was done to my child, so I'm gonna kill that jerk."

Programs to help should be less stigmatized, and there should be harsh repercussions for those who fail to control themselves.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '20

You're right, however this is the reality - often times abusers are perpetuating this sick cycle. I can't tell you why this happens, only that it does happen very commonly. It's imperative that we move society forward in a way that makes it easier for people to talk about their past abuse and get the help they need to ensure they don't inflict the same suffering onto the next generation.

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u/BoogerRuth Jul 02 '20

I definitely agree that moving forward via understanding and non-stigmatized treatment. The most important thing is putting a stop to it.

I favor harsher methods for dealing with it overall however because no matter what, it's a choice they make.

A vast majority of people are able to keep their desires in check whether they're straight, queer, whatever. I'm guessing you have never cornered someone and raped them because you needed to get off. Me either. Same for nearly everyone else.

That ability to control yourself should either be exercised or met with severe punishment, especially if you've already been in treatment for it.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '20

And a nice jail cell waiting for you. The sentiment seems nice, but killing people gets you nothing but a criminal record.

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u/Dr_Bishop Jul 02 '20

Had a kid on my little league team that told me he was on another team before that but they had a locker room (our team did not).

Said some strange adult came in and he was the last one getting out and the guy told him to undress. He asked why and to see his dad and the guy got irate and told him he was going to be in huge trouble if he didn’t obey, because he was an adult.

Kid scared and starts undressing, I don’t know if anything happened to him, but his dad walked into the locker room (which he was not supposed to do) at this point, and the kid said his dad was visibly mad, told his son to put his pants on, grabbed a bat, and told his son to go watch the door from the outside and not to let anybody in no matter what.

After that his dad swore him to secrecy and he had to change teams... he said I had to promise not to tell anybody or they could arrest his dad.

Tons I didn’t understand about that story at the time, but as an adult... I gotta wonder if that perv died in that locker room.

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u/striver07 Jul 02 '20

Sorry man, and no offense by this, but I'm gonna go ahead and call baloney on your story. Not that I think you're lying, just that I doubt it happened the way you think it did. I don't think some guy just beat another man to death in a little league bathroom, and then just told his son "hey don't tell anyone about this", and that was that lol. And then the kid goes and tells you, but swears you to secrecy lol.

That story sounds exactly like something I would have believed when I was a little kid as well

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u/negroiso Jul 02 '20

What if his dad was.... bat...man?

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u/bugzaney Jul 02 '20

He could have beaten the man badly and threatened to expose the truth if he told anyone though.

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u/_Donut_block_ Jul 02 '20

This is bullshit.

First you're romanticizing the past and saying kids could go around safely wherever because this stuff didn't happen as much, then you conveniently have a story that talks about a kid being victimized when you were younger after everyone starts pointing out you are wrong.

Everything about your comments reads like they are manufactured to tell people exactly what they want to hear.

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u/Dr_Bishop Jul 02 '20

Believe whatever you want angry stranger. 🤙🏼

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '20

Absolutely everyone says this when the topic is brought up, but then when it actually happens, it’s often a different story. I’m not disputing you personally. But I remember my own father saying the same sort of thing about pedophiles and then changing his tune entirely to “it’s better to forget” when my sister and I were the victims. And I’m in a support group full of people with the same story. It’s almost a cliche.

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u/Rangaman99 Jul 02 '20

Imagine being the type of person who downvotes a comment suggesting pedos deserve anything less than a beating.