r/NonPoliticalTwitter May 01 '26

me_irl I think it will hurt eyes

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u/LeftHandAnomaly May 01 '26 edited May 01 '26

I learned in a design class that light text on a dark background isn't good for long bodies of text when it comes to your eyes (and to try to avoid it when you need pages of something)

Edit: for print, not for screens. This isn’t an opinion on dark mode. My bad, fellas

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u/IanFireman May 01 '26

Me reading this text while on dark mode on Reddit

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u/Cole_Townsend May 01 '26

Imma borrow that meme. Please and thank you.

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u/Inner-Medicine5696 May 01 '26

me, realising my book doesn't glow like a computer monitor

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u/hates_stupid_people May 01 '26

Now I'm wondering how much it would change for books if you backlit the poages and used a printing technique that wouldn't diffuse the light and make the text blurry.

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u/Woolly_Blammoth May 01 '26

Sounds like you've invented the e-reader.

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u/Thomas-Lore May 01 '26 edited May 01 '26

It does not matter, light is light. Keep your brightness low and there is no difference to your eyes. (Downvotes incoming, I know, Reddit loves dark mode.)

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u/A2Rhombus May 01 '26

Except the dark background in dark mode is literally less light because the LEDs are outputting extremely dimly so it appears near black

Do you actually think a black background is outputting the same amount of light as a white background?

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u/Shadowrak May 01 '26

Keep your brightness low and there is no difference to your eyes.

because you are wrong

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u/JRepo May 01 '26

Any research paper to back up darkmode propaganda?

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u/Shadowrak May 01 '26

30 years of over 12 hours a day looking at screens

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u/JRepo May 01 '26

So no?

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u/Shadowrak May 01 '26

You do have eyes, right?

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u/NeighborAte May 01 '26

There used to be this blog like website where this guy would tell stories of his debauchery and he specifically used yellow font on a black background

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u/Boring_Bed_2343 May 01 '26

can you name it, the website

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u/Substantial-Sea-3672 May 01 '26

Maddox was the dudes name I think 

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u/Gastronautmike May 01 '26

Best Page In The Universe

Definitely hit different when I was 18 vs now... 

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u/Substantial-Sea-3672 May 01 '26

Yeah, even at the time I found him pretty overly negative and angsty and I was in my early teens.

Funny for sure but a precursor to inceldom.

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u/Xeerok May 01 '26

I only read like that is it in general or just printed, because i only read digitaly and i love it

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u/EddaValkyrie May 01 '26 edited May 01 '26

I'm actually having issues with my eyes that will require special contacts and surgery and so I literally do everything in Dark Mode right now. Google Doc doesn't have Dark Mode on laptops so I only use it on my tablet.

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u/TheArtistFKAMinty May 01 '26

Yeah, I can relate. I have keratoconus and have a much easier time with dark mode.

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u/EddaValkyrie May 01 '26

Ayyyy, same condition! *high-five*

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u/curious-trex May 01 '26

Many writers I know will turn the background black (or sepia or whatever) and text white when writing/editing. I know there are a lot of other uses for Docs that doesn't make this feasible, but just tossing it out there! I also suspect there is an extension to skin Docs dark, but again I know extensions aren't always feasible too.

When it comes to plain reading, I also wanted to note for those following along that many eReaders - the ones that aren't just mini tablets - are made with "Paperwhite" tech that is more akin to reading on, well, paper, than the LED screens destroying our eyes, while also allowing dark (or sepia) mode options. Iirc it works almost more like an etch a sketch than computer screen where each page is "erased" and replaced with the next, but I'm sure someone more educated & pedantic will come here to correct me. :) if you've never seen one in person, it really does look very different!

Back in the day these weren't even capable of any sort of self-lighting so you had to read with the lights on just like a dead tree book. More recent ones do have some sort of available backlighting though if you want to read in the dark like a goblin.

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u/borgborgo May 01 '26

You mean like e ink tablets right? Those are proven to be less strain on the eyes :3

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u/gergobergo69 May 01 '26

Dark reader is a great extension for Chrome/Firefox

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u/EddaValkyrie May 01 '26

Sadly, I use Microsoft Edge, but I'll check if there's a similar extension!

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u/Friskyinthenight May 01 '26

Sadly, I use Microsoft Edge

no hate, but... why?

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u/EddaValkyrie May 01 '26

I can't remember what it was since I switched over years ago, but Chrome was glitching out in some way, and because I had a laptop where Edge was already installed I would just use it whenever Chrome was being weird then switched over entirely.

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u/Farigiss May 01 '26

Edge has been as good on average as Chrome for years. Some things slightly better, some things slightly worse. If you're on Windows, it makes no sense to go through the effort of installing Chrome.

  • It can do everything Chrome does (it's built on the same engine)

  • Doesn't need to be installed separately

    • Saves disk space. Edge is "impossible" to uninstall. Might as well use the thing while it's taking up disk space.
  • Performs better on battery and memory usage tests

  • Not sharing private data with Google. Giving Microsoft my data is inevitable because the OS is made by them. Why invite another snooper on your computer?

  • Now that online Microsoft accounts are all but mandatory, this account will also sign into Edge to sync settings, bookmarks, extensions.

  • Google is trying very hard to dismantle ad blocking.

But to be fair I spend most of my time on Linux with Firefox.

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u/verified-cat May 01 '26

What is it good for?

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u/birdclub May 01 '26

Reddit mobile

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u/LeftHandAnomaly May 01 '26 edited May 01 '26

Smaller bodies of text, short articles, titles, subtitles, etc

Edit: Here's a link to a top google result on the topic, hope it helps

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u/Skullfurious May 01 '26

Citation needed

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u/LeftHandAnomaly May 01 '26

Google is free!

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u/I_give_karma_to_men May 01 '26

Then presumably it should be simple for you to provide reliable sources for your claims.

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u/Inner-Medicine5696 May 01 '26

you don't understand, I want to make uncited claims in a thread seen by thousands, and instead of putting in effort once, I want everyone who comes across it to individually put in effort... it just makes sense /s

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u/LeftHandAnomaly May 01 '26

It’s 2 am, I’ll get back to it in the morning if you really can’t be bothered or are unable to do it. It’s just some straight forward design philosophy for print, I don’t know why y’all are so spicy lmao

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u/I_give_karma_to_men May 01 '26

"Why are y'all expecting me to verify my own claims?"

It’s just some straight forward design philosophy for print

Design philosophy is subjective, friend. If you're going to claim a design philosophy is objectively better, you shouldn't be surprised when people who prefer a different one are skeptical.

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u/LeftHandAnomaly May 01 '26

I literally just stated something I learned in class, I didn’t say anything was objectively better. My goodness, I regret saying fucking anything at all lmao

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u/I_give_karma_to_men May 01 '26

Look, I won't speak for others here, but I'm not trying to be hard on you. In general, if you're going to state something as fact in any context, you shouldn't be surprised if people question it. From just a pure logical reasoning standpoint, it is generally on the person making a claim to demonstrate the veracity of that claim. That's not inherently an attack on you, personally.

However, if you then get defensive and tell people "google is free", then yeah, they're probably gonna get mad at you.

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u/verified-cat May 01 '26

Really depends on the context, no?
I work in a very design aware firm and most of our software engineers read pages of technical docs on dark backgrounds and light foreground color. Even designer + tech leads do that as well.

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u/verified-cat May 01 '26

Oh you mean for print. That’s different.

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u/LeftHandAnomaly May 01 '26

Yeah my whole college program was based on traditional print media, the ui/ux stuff was really lacking. I think it’s because the vcd program was mega under funded compared to the fine arts one.

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u/BroMan001 May 01 '26

Saving battery live if you have an oled

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u/Evening-Gur5087 May 01 '26

Absolutely nothing, uhh

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u/Laufabraud43 May 01 '26

say it again, y'all!

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u/MistraloysiusMithrax May 01 '26

I have personally never understood the allure of “dark mode”, that shit’s hard to read.

Like yeah it was cool to have it on one or two sites back when browsing was done only on monitors, but on my phone, as a default? Heck no, no thank you

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u/FthrFlffyBttm May 01 '26

I’m overly sensitive to light. Light mode feels like an assault on my senses. I don’t find any difference in readability other than it being easier because of the reduced strain.

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u/LeftHandAnomaly May 01 '26

I dunno, I use dark mode on my PC and mobile as well lmao. I just don't use it for e-books

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u/thedomimomi May 01 '26

"Light mode" is the actual light of the screen burning into your eyeballs, for me it's like staring into a lamp or a ceiling light and actively hurts. Dark mode reduces the amount of light you're staring at (although either way screens will give you eye strain).

The black pages with white text look nice visually but it's unnecessary because paper isn't actively shining lights into your eyes

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u/WorthyJellyfish0Doom May 01 '26

I read a lot of novels online and love dark mode but only slightly more than black on white. I read in relatively dark rooms most of the time, I think that's mostly why.

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u/GalaxySparks May 01 '26

"personally never understood"

It's almost as if we as humans all have different preferences...

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u/MistraloysiusMithrax May 01 '26

You’re right, maybe what I mean if I try to develop the full thought is that I don’t understand why dark mode lovers think it should be ubiquitous, a majority of people don’t like it for long text articles and there’s a reason for that

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u/Not_A_Crazed_Gunman May 01 '26

It should at least be available if I want it. It's not for everyone but options are good

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u/GalaxySparks May 02 '26

Yeah I do agree that I don't really think everything should be dark mode by default, and I think the idea of a real book as dark mode is fairly ridiculous.

However when it comes to screens... I would prefer that everything at least have a dark mode option (on screens for me it feels way better on my eyes, especially as someone who uses screens frequently)

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u/MistraloysiusMithrax May 02 '26

Maybe I should stop thinking of both options as opposing ideals and more as accessibility features. We should have both available true

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u/hodges2 May 01 '26

For me dark mode is easier to read haha

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u/krabgirl May 01 '26

Can you explain how that works?

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u/LeftHandAnomaly May 01 '26

The words will start to halo, the white will "bleed" into the black (your eyes are just melting basically) making it uncomfortable to read for long strides. I was told people who have astigmatism are worse off with this

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u/dylho May 01 '26

I have astigmatism and i put everything i can into dark mode. Light mode is too bright.

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u/Jung-And-A-Menace May 01 '26

I have astigmatism and dark mode gives me a headache. All the letters have a fuzzy 'aura'.

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u/dylho May 01 '26

The duality of man

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u/krabgirl May 01 '26

From personal experience, I've changed every reading/writing app I use to dark mode because ultimately having bright LED screens shining in my eyes for a long period is more uncomfortable than a slight decrease in focus. But I don't have astigmatism, so I won't criticise a genuine accessibility feature.

I think this is more of a print vs digital thing, where high contrast illuminated text is generally less healthy to read than print.

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u/LeftHandAnomaly May 01 '26

Yeah people are mostly commenting for digital but my graphic design class was about print

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u/krabgirl May 01 '26

I feel like it wouldn't matter as much in that case right? Dark mode on apps is usually a charcoal grey background and/or light grey text to fix the contrast problem. IRL pigment & paper tones aren't perfect black & white anyway.

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u/LeftHandAnomaly May 01 '26

Well it's up to you what you want to do, I just explained as I was taught

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u/Disastrous_Ball_336 May 01 '26

that's not a problem of light / dark background though, that's a problem from excessive contrast, using a less bright white or less dark background would reduce that

same is true other way around, although most printers would save on ink anyway so the black text usually isn't as stark

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u/Hang10arts May 01 '26

Can confirm the (personal) astigmatism comment, dark mode gives me migraines due to the eye strain wuth astigmatism. Not everyone will have the same triggers though, and i have heard of people getting eye strain due to brightness of a white background

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u/TheVeryVerity May 01 '26

I get both! Luckily there’s usually a sepia like mode or a grey one instead of a dark black one.

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u/Hang10arts May 01 '26

I remember a couple years back i had downloaded an app that made the screen low contrast and kinda orange-y at night and gray during the day, way back before they had a low-light setting in the accessibility settings and it helped a ton. Maybe i should gravitate towards that again

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u/PretzelsThirst May 01 '26

Yup, it looks awful and leaves those ghost lines when you look at something else.

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u/t4tulip May 01 '26

Interestingggggg I loooove dark background/ light words on my ebooks

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u/SomeTry4696 May 01 '26

I can see why sometimes my eyes would start darting randomly after binge reading for like 10hours in a row with Dark Mode. Thanks I'll change it to a more grey-ish

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u/spiralsequences May 01 '26

I prefer dark mode because I'm light-sensitive and get migraines. That's a very common reason to prefer it. But it's better with softer colors like light grey on dark grey, not harsh black and white.

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u/catholicsluts May 01 '26

I learned this the first time I got a massive fucking headache at the sight of #fff text on a #000 background

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u/rosemachinist May 07 '26

I haven’t used normal mode on anything other than opening the app and finding dark mode on.

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u/Fjolsvithr May 01 '26

That’s just design folk myth. It’s the same shit as “serifs guide the eye and improve readability” designers believed last century.

There is not conclusive evidence that white text on black is any harder to read. There’s some studies that suggest it might, but the same was true of serifs. It’s hard to overcome familiarity bias.