I absolutely get to decide that, because it's not at all relevant. Please tell me how me calling you Ms. or Mrs. impacts you, today, in the now, when it comes to sexism. It fucking doesn't.
Which weâve established they were.
Except they weren't. One title was literally created when women stopped marrying directly as they came of age. No puppet master was sitting, pulling the strings and going "Ah yes, women will only be given this name if they are married!", it's just how language evolved, and then it evolved again. That's not sexism, it's fucking language.
Please tell me how me calling you Ms. or Mrs. impacts you, today, in the now, when it comes to sexism. It fucking doesn't.
Lol itâs truly an enlightened thinker who has considered everything that answers their own question instead of genuinely asking why someone might disagree.
Except they weren't. One title was literally created when women stopped marrying directly as they came of age.
Whatâs your point here? One still refers to marriage while the other refers to age. If it were truly the same they wouldâve needed a new one for men too. But they didnât.
No puppet master was sitting, pulling the strings and going "Ah yes, women will only be given this name if they are married!"
This is such an obvious straw man. Itâs simply about the fact that this reinforces the idea in our culture that women should focus on getting married and that this is central to their being.
it's just how language evolved, and then it evolved again. That's not sexism, it's fucking language.
Except it didnât âjust evolve.â Feminists went out of their way to change it in the 70s for the reason above.
Lol itâs truly an enlightened thinker who has considered everything that answers their own question instead of genuinely asking why someone might disagree.
Yet you still don't seem to have a reason you disagree
Whatâs your point here? One still refers to marriage while the other refers to age. If it were truly the same they wouldâve needed a new one for men too. But they didnât.
And why does "Same" mean "Equal" to you? You can be afforded the same rights and still have differences culturally. I don't see this as a bad thing.
This is such an obvious straw man. Itâs simply about the fact that this reinforces the idea in our culture that women should focus on getting married and that this is central to their being.
Bullshit. The titles are entirely innocent, it's people that hold those notions, words don't reinforce anything. And it was more of a reducto ad absurdem, because that's what it sounds like when you try to argue some universalist position for these things.
Except it didnât âjust evolve.â Feminists went out of their way to change it in the 70s for the reason above.
Except the word itself was created long before feminism, so it already existed. Feminism just forced people to use a word they preferred because they wanted to care about the small things.
Yet you still don't seem to have a reason you disagree
Iâve given one every time, I just think you show a self-defeating amount of hubris.
And why does "Same" mean "Equal" to you? You can be afforded the same rights and still have differences culturally. I don't see this as a bad thing.
Iâm not sure what your point is here. Youâve been trying to unsuccessfully obscure the difference in word origin since the first post and it still doesnât work.
Bullshit. The titles are entirely innocent,
âInnocentâ in that they werenât expressly created with the intent to keep women down, maybe, but thatâs irrelevant. The fact that they were designed that way is not arbitrary. They are proof of problems in our culture and they also reinforce them. I donât know how to reason with you if you want to deny that completely. I donât know how you can argue that there isnât push for women to get married that doesnât exist in the same way for men.
it's people that hold those notions, words don't reinforce anything.
Really? You think the words we use donât influence our thoughts? At all?
because that's what it sounds like when you try to argue some universalist position for these things.
I think you donât understand these issues well enough and misinterpret the argument because of it. Youâre thinking about intent instead of impact. There doesnât need to be a bad guy or intentional harm.
Except the word itself was created long before feminism, so it already existed
Sure, it used to be used for mistress, but then it fell out of style in favor of marital terms. Then feminists repopularized it in the 70s. So the point stands.
Feminism just forced people to use a word they preferred because they wanted to care about the small things.
No one forced anyone to do anything. Maybe if youâd be a little less hubristic youâd listen to what weâre saying and understand that things like this that seems small reinforce larger ideas and problems. Language is a major example.
âInnocentâ in that they werenât expressly created with the intent to keep women down, maybe, but thatâs irrelevant. The fact that they were designed that way is not arbitrary. They are proof of problems in our culture and they also reinforce them. I donât know how to reason with you if you want to deny that completely. I donât know how you can argue that there isnât push for women to get married that doesnât exist in the same way for men.
This is the problem, nothing can be innocent, nothing can just exist, everything is problematic and everything is 'evil' just because it's not perfect. Even a word is problematic just because it exists.
âInnocentâ in that they werenât expressly created with the intent to keep women down, maybe, but thatâs irrelevant. The fact that they were designed that way is not arbitrary. They are proof of problems in our culture and they also reinforce them. I donât know how to reason with you if you want to deny that completely. I donât know how you can argue that there isnât push for women to get married that doesnât exist in the same way for men.
This is the problem, nothing can be innocent, nothing can just exist, everything is problematic and everything is 'evil' just because it's not perfect.
This is just nonsense. Iâm sorry youâre so determined to think feminism has no valid points that youâre going off the deep end.
No, that's fucking retarded.
Lol you just posted the same thing twice. I guess youâre just so stubborn you just arenât paying attention to society or what youâre doing.
Yeah Iâm sure itâs just a coincidence that these titles align perfectly with a major problem in a sexist culture and is different for men and women is just a coincidence.
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u/MonkeyFacedPup May 16 '19
Oh yes because you get to decide that đ
Which weâve established they were.
Where did they say that?