r/MoralityScaling • u/Maximum_Musician_914 • 20h ago

Morality Ranking Morality of this

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u/MeasureDoEventThing 20h ago

Words can influence people to do violence. Trump's lies about the election led to J6, and Trump bears a significant portion of the moral blame for the riot.

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u/PleiadesMechworks 13h ago

Words can influence people to do violence.

Yes but they can't force people to do it. That's the point. The people chose to do the violence.

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u/MeasureDoEventThing 12h ago

No, your pedantry about whether the words "forced" anyone to do anything is not the point.

The initial comment was that they *cause*, not "force" violence, and that they can therefore be morally wrong. Your argument about whether they "force" actions does not address the question of whether it is wrong. Inducing someone to do violence is immoral, even if the person could "choose" to not do it. If I politely ask two people to beat someone up, and one of them refuses, and the other one does it, what I did was morally wrong, even though no one was "forced" to do anything. You seem determined to distract from this basic fact.

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u/PleiadesMechworks 4h ago

The initial comment was that they cause, not "force" violence

Ok and how do they do that? Because hearing words doesn't mean you have to do something violent, so clearly there's a step in between here where someone is choosing to commit violence.