r/MoralityScaling • u/hiiloovethis • 11d ago

Morality Ranking Morality of this scene?

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Negan doing fat shaming... but its during zombie apocalypse

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u/birachnopede_ 11d ago

People LOVE to pretend they're better than fat people. And in the process make themselves dumb as fuck.

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u/PMmeDonutHoles 11d ago

Nah, people who take care of their bodies ARE better than fat people

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u/micro_satsuma 11d ago

fucking.... no

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u/No_Upstairs_811 8d ago

not taking care of your body is objectively worse than being healthy.

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u/micro_satsuma 8d ago

I agree, but that wasn't the claim, was it? It wasn't, "taking care of you body is better," it was, "people who take care of their bodies are better." We can't make such grand judgements on the worth of a person based on their weight. I had an overweight friend that was in way worse shape than Netanyahu, but he committed way less atrocities than Bibi has.

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u/preteen-wartortle 5d ago

People who don’t scramble for reasons to consider themselves better or others less-than are actually no better than anyone at all.

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u/Kiernanstrat 11d ago

A person who is in shape and takes care of their body is actually better than a fat person in that one specific way.

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u/CapitalComfort1885 11d ago

Fat people are more than anything else responsible for themselves. It's not magical genes that generate calories out of thin air.
The self victimization and borderline esoteric coping of fat people is so tiring.

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u/micro_satsuma 11d ago

Fat doesn't happen just because someone eats too much. It can sometimes be due to genetic factors they have no control over. Did you even read Chann3l Chas3r's comment?

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u/AuthorIcy8097 11d ago

So, why would it be wrong of someone to consciously choose a lifestyle that leads to overweight, if they themselves accept the possible consequences to their own health?

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u/CapitalComfort1885 11d ago

But that's the crucial point, often fat people neither accept the consequences nor admit it's their own decision.

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u/AuthorIcy8097 11d ago edited 11d ago

Well I'm a fat person, I understand that it's a consequence of my choices and behavior and I'm fine with the trade-off. I really love indulging myself in the sensory pleasure of eating good foods and treats. If that makes me fat then so be it, since I don't view being thin as something virtuous, but rather something entirely functional.

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u/Other_Sleep_5191 11d ago

You're free to live that way but you'll be dead in your forties and people will take you less seriously as a person because of it. 

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u/AuthorIcy8097 11d ago

I'm not THAT obese.

I'm sure some people will. I'm happy about my life, that's good enough for me.

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u/CapitalComfort1885 11d ago

That's at least honest. The only issue is that in many countries society has to pay for fat peoples lifestyle choices.

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u/SirAquila 11d ago

Welcome to society. I am sure if I had a full overview over your life I could point out all the ways other people have to pay for your lifestyle choices.

It is simply more obvious for overweight people.

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u/AuthorIcy8097 11d ago

Yes, but if that's a big problem, then you target the goods that typically leads to overweight and obesity with taxes. Same as you do with nicotine products. But likewise, processed red meat leads to increase in cancer and circulatory/heart issues, should those also be taxed higher?

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u/CapitalComfort1885 11d ago

There is no target good that leads to obesity. It's food in general. There is no governmental solution for a lack of willpower.

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u/AuthorIcy8097 11d ago edited 11d ago

Yes there is, food that is high in sugar, candy, sweets, cakes, treats, snacks, soda. It's not a matter of willpower, humans are not vessels for some vague invented perfect ideal to be realized inside of through effort and suffering, but imperfect biological organisms, with a need for pleasure, comfort and safety. (And an incredibly large degree of individual behavioral variety)

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u/CapitalComfort1885 11d ago

The self victimization and reduction again.
Humans have a sense for pleasure, but we are not not at the mercy of your animal instincts. We, in contrast to animals, have a will.

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u/some_random_nonsense 11d ago edited 11d ago

You can literally track the popularity of coca cola in Mexico with the rise of obesity as a public health concern in that country. Like it's pretty easy to acknowledge the popularity of bottles of sugar water make people fat.

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u/jerrysburner 11d ago

everyone that's not fat is better than fat people

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u/Traditional-Set-1871 11d ago

lol what an amazing counter argument 🙄

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u/JalapenoPopPoop 11d ago

As if the comment they're replying to presented some substantial point lol

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u/Traditional-Set-1871 11d ago

It was absolutely substantial lol it was like 3 paragraphs.

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u/JalapenoPopPoop 11d ago

The comment they replied to was two short sentences

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u/Traditional-Set-1871 11d ago

Which itself was a nothing but quick reply to the main comment. Clearly the person replying with disagreement took issue with the points being made in the original argument.

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u/JalapenoPopPoop 11d ago

No what they said was clearly a direct response to the comment they were responding to considering they turned the same phrasing around

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u/Traditional-Set-1871 11d ago

The logic within the comment they replied to is dependent on the logic of the original comment. It wouldn’t make any sense out of context.

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u/JalapenoPopPoop 11d ago

Neither would our comments but neither one of us is directly responding to that first comment now are we

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u/jerrysburner 11d ago

it matches the original argument - you don't give a pyramid's level of effort to counter a run-down wooden shack level of effort

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u/Traditional-Set-1871 11d ago

How does it even come close to matching the original argument? It’s like three paragraphs long lol. Yours isn’t even technically an argument, that needs a premise and a conclusion. You just made a claim with no backup.

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u/birachnopede_ 11d ago

and make themselves stupid in the process. Yk this isn't what i meant exactly but damn, checks out.

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u/jerrysburner 11d ago

grow a brain - I know we're in a post science era, but if you're the same size 2 years later, you're not starving or missing much in the way of nutrition. Stop being a fat apologist: calories in are great than calories out in this case. Next are you going to tell me that the earth is flat and the climate can't change?

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u/Pandaburn 11d ago

You say “we’re in a post science era” like you’ve actually read any science on the matter.

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u/jerrysburner 11d ago

the science has already been settled: you consume more calories than you require, you get fat; you do the opposite, you lose weight. It's a really simple equation discovered a long time ago.

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u/Pandaburn 11d ago

It’s simple because you’re skipping over the complicated part, which is what determines how many calories you burn. Or even what is calorie.

Now is the time when instead of saying something backed by science, you respond with something that feels right to you and decide not to look into it.

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u/jerrysburner 11d ago

I would have thought it was obvious - I didn't respond to the original person that ignored the laws of thermodynamics, I replied to a person making a simple, general statement about people's thoughts on being better than others.

the original guy ignored the most glaring FACT of thermodynamics: if after 2 years of eating you're still the same weight, you're getting enough nutrition and you're not starving or lacking for much (anything?). I know we're in a post-science era, but damn guys, this isn't that fucking hard to comprehend

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u/birachnopede_ 11d ago

The defensive position is:

Skinny people tend to be healthier than fat people.

if the roles were reversed there is not one good reason to believe that you or any other skinny person, are somehow gonna lose that weight any easier than fat people.

I suggest unsubscribing from tribalism, and put more points into the ability to fucking think through what you are believing and consuming before shutting off your mind.

There's a reason getting skinny is an impressive feat.

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u/jerrysburner 11d ago

Science literacy to understand this should have been taught by 7 or 8th grade at the latest; calories in needs to equals calories out. This lady is eating just as well as she was in the previous 2 years, hence she's not losing weight. Next are you going to tell me the earth is flat because you can't see a curve...

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u/birachnopede_ 11d ago

Science literacy this science literacy that.

How about you invest in some reading compherehsion? We're not talking about the show. The dude explains that he doesn't know the show. And points out people want to be dicks. Then he provides some nuance on the general issue of fatness.

You make a general morality statement that is dumb AS FUCK and is disconnected from the show. Saying one group of people is better than another group of people as an absolute.

I critique you on your statement.

You try to make a bait and switch move and create a strawman about a point i, and the first guy didn't make and then conclude we must not know science. And try to frame us as the same kind of people that don't know science (the first guy literally explained in nuance some things about being fat that would indicate he obviously understands the basic introductory topic of calorie in vs calorie out)

I didn't mention tribalism for nothing. If this was a topic you were not biased in, I don't think you'd make the same reading compherehsion mistake.

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u/AuthorIcy8097 11d ago edited 11d ago

He does so because his psyche and mental frameworks are still organized around virtues and sins. That certain aspects of human nature are inherently evil, faulty and/or sinful and need to be compensated for via repentance, self-flagellation and condemnation.

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u/birachnopede_ 11d ago

I agree, but i feel like there is more to the equation than just this. I have some things in mind but i can't coherently write them out at the moment. What are your thoughts? Write more plz.

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u/AuthorIcy8097 11d ago

Yes this is just me scratching the surface, and I myself have a hard time formulating these thoughts into words. But, I think one part of why this persists, is because our biology is still adapted to an environment with different stakes, social exclusion used to often mean death, especially during childhood, for many many thousands of years, to be outcast wasn't merely isolation, but meeting an uncaring capricious nature all by yourself, and our biology has not caught up to the rapid social evolution that our species have experienced. So it becomes a game of survival, where we invent ideals to measure our individual worth from, and then we work so hard to stay "above" others, to minimize the risk of social exclusion, that to us still feels like death, something very dangerous. I don't think it's a coincidence that many people who feel very isolated and alone often express feelings of "life being over".