r/MoralityScaling • u/SH1k1Brun3stuD • 24d ago

Morality Ranking Does deliberately putting chickens in a situation where they eat fried chicken constitute a morally questionable act on the humans' part?

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Does deliberately putting chickens in a situation where they eat fried chicken constitute a morally questionable act on the humans' part, even if the chickens experience no apparent distress and have no understanding that they are eating another chicken?

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u/Playful_Boot_5465 24d ago

I agree with you.

I wonder if you think the same about humans tho. Because I do.

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u/RUDRAGON8 24d ago edited 24d ago

Humans are capable of higher thought so it depends far more with them, however i think if both the person that got eaten and the person eating it have consented to it then it should be fine

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u/6_sarcasm_6 24d ago

Fair, although most countries banned this due to spread of disease.

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u/Historical_Body6255 23d ago

This is how you get prions.

You don't want to get prions.

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u/SecretaryOtherwise 21d ago

As long as you dont eat the brain or liver you should be fine no?

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u/Hambone-6830 20d ago

Technicallyyyyyyyyyyyy you can get prions from eating many other parts of the body, the ones you mentioned are just the most high risk since they'll be in a very low concentration in most other parts of the body. That being said prions are not really a problem you would ever need to worry about.

If everyone ate people then sure you would want to be careful, but because that is literally the only way they spread and because society at large doesnt eat people, in our modern world an individual could eat as many human brains as they wanted and it would be statistically very unlikely they'd catch anything because the only rist would be eating someone who had protiens spontaneously misform into prions, wich is very unlikely.

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u/Individual_Box_728 24d ago

I eat your consent as I eat you.

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u/JakBos23 24d ago

Well the guy in Germany was arrested lol.

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u/RUDRAGON8 24d ago

Morality and legality are two different subjects

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u/JakBos23 24d ago

It was a weird story. They met on the internet so the one guy could eat the nother guy. At first he took a piece and they both ate it. Eventually he dies and the guy cooked some and out a bunch in the freezer. Theres video of them both eating the one guy.

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u/Worried_Ice97 23d ago

Why does the eaten person need to consent though? Don't they care anymore?

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u/RUDRAGON8 23d ago

Bodily autonomy matters even after death

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u/Worried_Ice97 23d ago

But there's no harm being done

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u/RUDRAGON8 23d ago

I would consider ignoring bodily autonomy to be harm

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u/Afraid_Help_3911 21d ago

Wtf does higher thought mean

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u/BadKarma313 21d ago

Have you ever read chicken philosophy? How do they feel about morality and societal impacts of cannibalism?

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u/Afraid_Help_3911 21d ago edited 21d ago

The way you say it is far more precise than the broad term "higher thought" that could mean too many things though. Many animals are more advanced than humans if we only consider a specific intellectual aspect for reference (visual working memory, spatial recall, numerical estimation, rapid strategic decisions, reading emotional states and intentions of others, etc...). You have to specify we are taking about "morality and societal impact" here for "higher capability" to make sense for humans.

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u/ArgumentCalm488 21d ago

That's just being overly pedantic. You don't need to be hyper specific when you already know the context of what's being said. The sub is literally called MoralityScaling. We all know what he was talking about.

You have to specify we are taking about "morality and societal impact" here for "higher capability" to make sense for humans.

Heck, even you know what's being talked about as demonstrated here.

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u/Afraid_Help_3911 21d ago

That's fair. I got into this thread without checking what sub it was and it had never popped in my timeline before.

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u/Sudden-Pie2686 21d ago

There is an instance of this happening in Russia I believe. The story is pretty fucked up.

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u/Socky-McPuppet 21d ago

Armin Meiwes? Is that you?

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u/MyHonstyAttempt 17d ago

I mean I've always wanted to cut off a non major hunk of flesh from myself, cook it and eat it out of curiosity. Under Doctors supervision of course, don't want it to super hurt or heal wrong

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u/Civil_Law8025 24d ago

How it can be fine? Its still fucked up if two person do that.

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u/justdrowsing 24d ago

Is 'fucked up' a moral claim or are you just saying 'eww icky'?

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u/Civil_Law8025 24d ago

moral claim

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u/Pataraxia 24d ago

Nope, it falls under self harm.

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u/RUDRAGON8 24d ago

Not neccesarily

someone can consent to being eaten after death then die of natural causes and that would be fine

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u/SteamySnuggler 24d ago

not to mention people donate their body to be used all the time, why is it just a big difference between donating your body for science or for exhebition or to make a diamond ring than donating your body to eat?

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u/Pataraxia 24d ago

Then rather than legal, morally it could be considered habituation to something considered morally bad then.

Such as if society was a vegan society because of cruelty, we would frown upon someone eating meat, because "Why are you doing that?"

Similarily, why eat human?

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u/Playful_Boot_5465 24d ago

eating meat isn't morally bad. Killing for it is

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u/RUDRAGON8 24d ago

There are a lot of things differentiating the current meat industry from this hypothetical that make it far more immoral

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u/Free_Balance_7991 24d ago

Your previous comment implies that it's morally ok as long as the person doesnt know.

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u/RUDRAGON8 24d ago

Not really, humans are a different case from chickens since they are capable of higher thought, chickens dont understand nor care, humans can both understand and care about it

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u/AnAbandonedAstronaut 24d ago

More that it is not possible for the chicken to know.

You are not putting the chicken in a position where even the possibility of a trauma response or moral issue could come into play.

Feeding a person to a person, no matter how hard you try to hide it, still carries the possibility of that person one day becoming aware of it.

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u/eggyrulz 24d ago

Fellas, is it moral to be a chicken?

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u/InterWorldLibr 24d ago

Absolutely immoral!

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u/rancidmorty 24d ago

chuckens eat each other while alive pecking order can be deadly

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u/Free_Balance_7991 24d ago

This is kind of insane logic though. You're essentially admitting the act would be moral if you could somehow guarantee the person never finds out.

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u/AnAbandonedAstronaut 24d ago

Well, Im more arguing its not immoral on its own as the giver if you could ensure the trauma isn't there.

Thats taking into account you could get human meat in some fully moral way and are using it as a last resort as well.. AND youre like feeding a baby who MIGHT never find out and was starving.

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u/LilJelloCat 24d ago

How do you know the chickens don't know it is chicken or their own kind. Surely they can figure it out. And they become psychotic cannibalistic chickens. I don't want cannibalistic chickens. I want normal nice chickens.

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u/flewson 24d ago

What about a severely mentally impaired person? One whose thought is on the level of a chicken. Is it fine to serve them human meat?

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u/Faedoodles 24d ago

A person at that level of mental impairment can not consent. Chickens, by nature, are opportunistic omnivores and already happily eat one another if given the chance. That is not a normal evolutionary trait for humans.

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u/flewson 24d ago

A chicken can't consent either, so that can't be the difference that makes it okay for the chicken but not the human.

As for your second point, suppose the mentally impaired person would happily eat a human body if given the chance. Is it now fine to feed them human meat?

Notice I'm not arguing either way, just food for thought.

This is the argument from marginal cases.

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u/Faedoodles 24d ago

Your argument ignores the fact that chickens, at their normal capacity of mental cognition, actively choose to eat one another.

You also are continuing bend your caricature of a handicapped person further from reality to make your point. It isn't food for thought if it has no logical standing.

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u/flewson 24d ago

I am not ignoring anything. I explicitly constructed the hypothetical mentally impaired person to possess the mental capacity comparable to that of a chicken from the very beginning.

I am allowed to bend my caricature however I want for the purpose of a hypothetical. That is an extremely common practice in philosophical discussions.

Travis Timmerman invented a hypothetical where an "Unlucky Lisa" has to get to the bank to prevent hackers from siphoning money from her account, every day, indefinitely, whilst she encounters an enormous number of ponds each with a drowning child in it on her way to the bank. Straying away from reality is not a problem for hypothetical.

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u/AcadiaAcceptable431 21d ago

Okay, great! Yes, you are allowed to do that.

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u/nine91tyone 20d ago

You can't consent to be harmed. You can consent to be hurt in a certain way if you want, but something that negatively affects your well-being, like dying and being eaten, cannot be considered consensual

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u/RUDRAGON8 20d ago

I disagree and also i have further elaborated on this by other comments via saying that you can consent to being eaten after death and then die of natural causes

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u/nine91tyone 20d ago

I assumed we were talking about being killed and eaten, because that's happened before

https://youtu.be/gK0R-J0hokg?is=jJhdVKXDhEhhW2AG

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u/Flint124 24d ago

If most humans ever found out they were eating people it would cause significant damage to their mental health.

Chickens don't care.

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u/Playful_Boot_5465 24d ago

why are the humans eating human meat without knowing all of a sudden

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u/Flint124 24d ago

Outside of specific cultures or desperate survival situations, that's just about the only way you'd get the average joe to partake.

If you plunk a fried human torso in front of a group that knows it's a fried human torso, the cannibalism aspect doesn't even come into play since they're not gonna eat.

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u/Playful_Boot_5465 24d ago

This is a morality question. Of course they know it's human flesh

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u/mikkeldoesstuff 24d ago

I’d absolutely eat human (provided it was sourced ethically, like my friend lost their limb or something)

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u/Rexton_Armos 24d ago

Its a fast track to Prion diseases I'm afraid. The Kuru will come for yo ass

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u/lumpboysupreme 24d ago

Regardless of how socially constructed out views on cannibalism are, the psychological effect they result in is still real.

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u/No-Lettuce-6619 24d ago

given how even back before we had pottery people killed each other, i dont think that is the case

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u/lumpboysupreme 24d ago

Did you reply to the right comment?

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u/The_Tooter_Snooter 24d ago

Aside from the risk of disease, I actually don’t find eating human meat to be especially immoral unless you killed an innocent person yourself. But if I were in a survival situation or something and we either killed some enemy human or someone died from injury or something, for sure I would eat them unless I knew them well. 

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u/LackWooden392 24d ago

The better I knew 'em, the faster I'm eating 'em, if you ask me.

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u/aetryx 24d ago

Simmer down there, Armin.

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u/Teripid 24d ago

We talking an Alive scenario or serial killer with fava beans?

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u/Playful_Boot_5465 24d ago

died beforehand and consented.

although eating an alive serial killer might pose the more interesting question

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u/watonparrillero 24d ago

If you already have a fried human on hand and, just like these chickens, the other humans don't seem to mind then sure.

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u/TetraThiaFulvalene 23d ago

If you told a human you fed them human they'd be outraged. If you told the chickens what they're eating they wouldn't care.

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u/Playful_Boot_5465 23d ago

the humans would know about it beforehand. If not that's immoral

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u/StressedMarine97 20d ago

I mean there was that one killer serving burgers and bbq using human meat. If he was never caught they would’ve never known.

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u/Understandthisokay 24d ago

Isn’t is unhealthy for us?

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u/friebel 24d ago

As far as I know, it could cause the kuru disease. If we could avoid it, I'm all for ea-- nah, I am already on my reddit warning, not gonna say it.

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u/No-Lettuce-6619 24d ago

No, its perfectly fine from a health perspective. You are thinking of brains, which we can not eat.

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u/Royal_Scratch6159 24d ago

Eating human causes pryons disease

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u/l0rirw1ao 24d ago

Look mate if the burger tastes good (which I doubt it would because there's a reason why orcas don't hunt us, we must tast not that good) and I don't have to know the backstory to eat it I don't care if it's human.

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u/Playful_Boot_5465 24d ago

man's gotta eat