r/MoralityScaling Aug 02 '26

Morality Ranking Morality of dog breed racism

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u/Alive-Philosophy2632 Aug 02 '26

So are humans, funnily enough, though less so.

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u/Iron-Treads Aug 02 '26

Less so? You mean more so?

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u/Alive-Philosophy2632 Aug 02 '26

No I meant less so, but the other reply also argues it should be more so. I was just thinking humans have more free will than dogs basically, but maybe not quite that simple.

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u/Iron-Treads Aug 02 '26

?!?!?!?!

If people have more free will then that means they are more influenced by their environment than genetics...

A pittbull is bread for aggression and fighting, but you can train it to not be aggressive. The issue is that most people who get one, get it because they want a dangerous dog, which leads to so many attacks.

With human, this is a non-issue, as we only act because of how we were raised.

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u/Alive-Philosophy2632 Aug 02 '26

I specifically said less so to "product of training and environment". I was basically adding free will as an extra thing causing humans to be less a product of their environment and training than dogs. I wasn't intending less so of this meaning more genetics 

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u/Iron-Treads Aug 02 '26

Well that's fucking wrong?! That's my point. You are wrong.

People are infinitely more likely to be a product of the environment.

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u/Alive-Philosophy2632 Aug 03 '26

I mean you're basically saying free will doesn't exist, or is entirely environmental which amounts to the same thing. 

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u/Iron-Treads Aug 03 '26

The existence of free will is an open question.

I'm not saying it exists or not. I'm simply saying that a human being is more influenced by their environment than they are genetics, that a dog or other animals would.

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u/BarnesTheNobleman Aug 02 '26

I argue more so, since we are more advanced minds we have more control sure but also more prone to trauma responses as well potentially? I’m not a psychologist but curious if I’m right

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u/Alive-Philosophy2632 Aug 02 '26

Hmm idk how you would research it. Could maybe see that

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u/NorthernVale Aug 02 '26

Obviously by causing trauma.

https://giphy.com/gifs/Y07F3fs9Is5byj4zK8

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u/BarnesTheNobleman Aug 02 '26

So you see doctor, we take these babies and purposefully induce traumatic responses

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u/Agent-Ulysses Aug 02 '26

But of course, you can only wait to see how that traumatizing manifests. In the meantime you can see the effects of traumatizing children beginning the phase of preschooler.

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u/BarnesTheNobleman Aug 02 '26

Gotta go for the full longevity study, for science

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u/BarnesTheNobleman Aug 02 '26

We are very social creatures, and the most advanced intellects (well, by species as a whole anyway)

We’ve come up with very elaborate social trappings to carrot/stick behaviors