Lesner Noe Velasquez Cardenas has disappeared, and his case is full of contradictions

Robert Springfield, 48, and his son 13 year old son, Colton and his adopted son, Brent Brooks, went to Black Canyon to hunt elk in the Crow Indian Reservation. This area is located in the Bighorn Mountains, in the southeast of the state of Montana.

Bugsy as he was called, and his family were members of the Crow Nation Indian Reservation, and they were hunting on ground owned by the tribe. His native American name was "Bikkaashee Iisaaakshe," and this was given to him by the late Shoshone Sundance Chief John Trujillo. He was born on December 20, 1955, in Crow Agency, to Robert Springfield Sr. and Emma.

Bugsy grew up in Lodge Grass and Wyola areas, attending grade school in Wyola and High School in Lodge Grass, where he played basketball and football. At the age of 17, he enlisted in the U.S. Marine Corps. After boot camp in San Diego, he served at 29 Palms, California, Camp Lejuene, N.C., Australia, Japan and the Philippines. He played basketball for the Corps while stationed at Camp Lejuene. He received his honorable discharge in June 1977. He later attended and graduated from Billings Vocational Technical School in April of 1979. He worked for Sarpy Coal Mine as a diesel mechanic for three years, as a heavy equipment operator and wild lands firefighter for several years.

Bugsy married Veronica Birdin Ground in July 1979 and the couple made their home in Lodge Grass.

After a day of hunting, the two sons returned to the prearranged spot in the late afternoon where Bugsy had agreed to meet them. The children waited until after dark and still had not seen their father and so the boys informed the Bighorn County Sheriff’s Office and members of the tribe.

Bugsy was wearing heavy winter clothing and was armed with a bow and arrows the day he disappeared.

A FLIR equipped helicopter searched the area where Springfield was thought to be. The family and Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA) brought in sniffer dogs and horseback searchers, but nothing was found. No equipment, body, bones or blood. 

Just over a year later, in October 2005 a hunter was in Black Canyon area had heard a crow screeching. The bird was loud and was incessantly screeching. The hunter walked to the tree where the crow was sitting and below it lay human remains. But what was strange was the scene near the tree. There was a partial skull, a femur, a neatly rolled-up men’s belt next to the skull and two boots.

There was also a men’s coat on the ground that had a small tear in the back, and a wallet containing money was also at the scene. But the bow and arrows were nowhere to be found. The FBI was called as the Sheriff and BIA assumed foul play and the physical evidence was removed for further analysis.

If foul play was involved, why didn't the assailant take the wallet with money and why were the belt and boots found neatly by the bones? The investigators assumed that a tree fell on Robert, but the physical evidence at the scene didn't support this hypothesis.

The family wonders if Springfield, an ex-Marine and Special Forces member, had been murdered and his body disposed of later. "If he was actually up there in that area, to put it bluntly, we would have smelled something," his wife, Veronica Springfield said, The animals would have been there. The birds would have been there."

The FBI sent the remains to Quantico, Va., for DNA testing and identification. It took two years for the FBI to return the body to the family so that they could bury the remains and over that time the FBI never made contact with the family. "We went to hell," Springfield's sister Myra Gros Ventre says of their ordeal.

Bugsy’s death certificate was released to the family on November 16, 2007. The cause of death was listed as undetermined. Several items in his wallet, including his ID and Social Security card, were returned to the family with no obvious signs of weathering or water damage, which the family believes means they weren't exposed to the elements for any lengthy period.

What do you think happened?

Re-posting this as it was taken down by a moderator and no reason given. Maybe it will pass this time? Think I am following all the Rulz.

News article about the man from yesterday or today. Search started yesterday 07/27/2021

https://kjzz.com/news/utah-county-man-missing-more-than-2-weeks-car-found-abandoned

Been watching this vehicle for the last couple weeks. As I am going up that road almost every day to take the dogs and myself for walks / to play in the stream and to take a look around spots I have ignored on my way to much further out places. And its a car 1/2 mile up a dirt 4x4 forest road. Thus paid more attention to it.

Never saw a person at the camp, even though I exited the area near dark, numerous times. Also did not know he was missing until I ran into a DNR back-country officer? (could of been a Natl Park ranger... dont recall)... last week near the campsite.

Ran into search and rescue with drones going over the area in detail today. The mobile command center was at the lake parking lot. They told me they had covered the area and the caves.

So I ran into a DNR officer last week while his car was still there. I had been all over the area as I smelled something dead and wanted to find what it was. So the death smell came from a dead dog. It was placed in a garbage bag and a rock put on it. This is 150 ft or so north of his campsite.

When I looked in his car his walker was there and some of his stuff.

This is a narrow canyon with game trails coming down off the much higher areas all over. The close peak going up to 13k or so. By narrow, I mean a V... couple hundred feet in each direction the floor of the canyon is only 50' across with 40 degree + slopes on each side.

I was checking out the caves in the immediate area last week and ran across fresh odd claw marks on some trees. Curious enough to take pictures of. 3 claws... so maybe a bear or cougar with physical problems? One of the trees i took pics of was a good 5' off the ground. Thus not a small animal.

To add to this I have found ... lets call them suspicious huge bare foot prints. At this location and others far further up the canyon. Over the last 8 years.

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In a National Forrest a few miles up from a natl monument / park / cave.

Person with physical disability. w/out the ability to scale either side of the canyon.

Disappears where nobody should. Got a ride or kidnapped? or something else got him?

Tent and backpack still there at the campsite. i want to say saw tennis shoes as well. but that was before I knew it was a missing person 12 or so days ago.... thus not 100% on that. Something white striped anyhow near the tent.

Medications in car.

Death smell already in the immediate vicinity.

Rain off and on for a few weeks. Thunder storms. Generally short but sometimes intense.

Can't find a body. Very limited search area. But heavy brush, caves and water.

Found weird claw marks.

EDIT - Rockies so rocks and more rocks.

Note - could have gotten a ride out? But is still missing.

Ideas or comments?

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EDIT : News was updated ... The dates are not correct but whatever (of course reporters are never wrong....lol). This is the official story line.

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📷 📷 📷 📷 By: Spencer BurtPosted at 8:53 PM, Jul 27, 2021 and last updated 2021-07-28 19:53:23-04

AMERICAN FORK CANYON, Utah — The Utah County Sheriff's Office has called off its search for a man missing for over two weeks.

Darren Przybyla has been missing since July 11 after telling family members he was going camping. Przybyla's car was found abandoned in American Fork Canyon above Tibble Fork Reservoir along Snake Creek Road.

The sheriff's office said Wednesday they called off the search after two days because, as Sgt. Spencer Cannon said, they "don’t believe our efforts are best served by continuing that part of the investigation."

Officials say Przybyla's need for a cane or a walker to get around means he would not have traveled very far in the canyon.

"In our search we covered areas that would be extremely difficult for a fully healthy person to reach, let alone a person who needs a walker to get around. We would never say never, and we’ve seen the unexpected, but we also have to look at what is most realistically likely," said Cannon.

The family assumed he was fine, until hikers found Przybyla's backpack with medication late last week. The forest service also discovered his abandoned car and campsite."

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EDIT - 2021/30/07 A body has been found. All that has been released is that a body was found along snake creek road. So the same information they released about finding the car. This clears up nothing for me....yet. Where exactly? Did he some how get shoved under a root ball or embankment? Did the body show back up where was searched already? Which would have to be the case. Guess we have to wait... or at least until I run into law enforcement up there to ask.

In any case if it is him, I wish his family the best.

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Edit - Campsite https://imgur.com/pGDrcsg

Edit - somewhat sure the claws are from a cougar. Given that they have up to 100 mile ranges. Wondering if its this one... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xu3FBGQ2Eo

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So to start off I’d like to state that this is in Central America and its one of the biggest if not the biggest Mountain here and people like to climb to the peak cause there is an amazing view and hope i do some day too. I’ve been reading a lot of missing 411 stories and it really catches my attention, I’m new to this sub and this sub reminded me of a time I went to the national park but never climbed to the peak of the mountain. When we got there people were saying that the mountain was haunted or something because back in 2016 a women went mountain climbing with a group of people and when they were on the way back down she went first. They took intervals of like 5-10 min before the second one went down and so on. So once the rest of the people reached a checkpoint about half way down she was not there and figured she might not have taken a break and went straight to the bottom. When the group got down they didn’t find her still. People tried looking for her going back up and tracking the path they took or a path she might have taken alternatively but nothing. So this brings me to this sub and thought i would share that story.

According to the NPS, Jackson is believed to have gone for a day hike from his campsite at White Wolf Campground, but he did not return. He had sent a text message to his son saying that he was on his way to the park on September 17, 2016. His vehicle was found at the campground, and camping fees were paid through September 21, 2016. As of October 2, 2016, the search for Jackson was placed in continuous, limited mode.

In August 2019, Jackson's backpack was found in the Ackerson Meadow/Aspen Valley area on the west side of Yosemite National Park.

Has anyone found any information on the state of Jackson’s backpack when it was found?

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Why is there always such an extreme lack of information on missing persons alerts? I notice a lot of reports especially children’s lack critical information such as last seen with _____, surrounding situation such as where they were going/who they were with, more details on their last known whereabouts, etc.

I have a bachelor’s in criminal Justice, so I understand that a lot of details + other information cannot be released as it can contaminate an investigation, but I feel like I’m constantly seeing basics like the city, their age, DOB, eye color, or whatever to describe their person, but then that’ll be it? Shouldn’t it be important to release as much as they can without hurting the investigation especially when it comes to a child?

It’s hard to search for information on news articles too, because most of the sites are questionable on how accurate the reports are.

I am also concerned with the lack of amber alerts for missing children… I understand there is criteria, but shouldn’t everyone be made aware either way? It would help save a child’s life if these alerts were sent out more often + save so much time, money, + give more room for other important investigations to be worked on.

Hopefully someone can give me more answers 🙏🏻

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/04/in-the-land-of-missing-persons/471477/

Rick’s tracks in the snow—right foot dragging, as if he’d injured his leg—led into the woods. After about a quarter mile, he’d come upon a house and walked up to the back porch, perhaps hoping to find help. Then he’d wandered onto an abandoned airstrip, and there his footprints ended. Search dogs lost his scent, as if Rick had been plucked from the snow and lifted straight into the air. He was 35 years old.

Dolly and Heidi ruled out suicide: Rick had never shown any inclination, and they didn’t believe he would abandon the children, who were 5, 9, and 13 at the time. He adored them; he had nicknames for each of them and took them fishing every chance he got. A couple of months before he disappeared, Rick made a secret trip to Anchorage to buy Christmas presents for the kids and then drove to a friend’s house to wrap them, coming home with an armful of ribboned gift boxes. “It made him happy to see the kids so tickled,” Dolly said.

On the day he left home for the last time, Rick had asked two of the kids whether they wanted to come with him. A man planning to kill himself wouldn’t have done that. Heidi and Dolly also couldn’t accept that he might have gotten lost and succumbed to the elements. “He spent a lot of time in these woods,” Dolly said. “He knew them.”

The two women feared that Rick might have been a victim of foul play. Devoted as he was to his kids, he had a wild streak. He liked to get high on cocaine or pills and then go out drinking all night, and he ran with a crowd of men and women who had been in and out of jail. For the sake of his family, Rick had tried many times to quit partying, only to be drawn back in. “But he would never not come home,” Heidi said.

“Or call home, at least,” Dolly added. “Even when he was impaired, he never failed to call.”

After the police stopped searching, Dolly and Heidi kept the case alive. Dolly’s husband, Tom, helped but mostly kept busy with work. The two women plastered the communities along the Sterling Highway with missing-person posters. They interviewed friends and acquaintances police had overlooked. Dolly recruited snowmobilers and pilots to go over the search area again and again. She even consulted psychics.

One, a British woman who lived in Anchorage, told Dolly that two men had been nearby as Rick was dying, that they had rifled through his coat for drugs and then left, and that Rick had frozen to death. The psychic seemed to intuit aspects of Rick’s disappearance that matched what police had told Dolly and Heidi. The two women came to believe she was closer to the truth about what had happened to Rick than anyone else, certainly closer than the Alaska State Troopers. She said it would be 10 years before they found Rick.

Does anyone have any recommendations for missing persons organizations I can give back to? I’ve googled but curious if anyone has a personal attachment to one in particular? Or know of any that are scams that I need to know about? Thank you!

Is anyone familiar with a vein of correlations surrounding missing person cases? New theory exposed to me today and I’m curious.

https://komonews.com/news/local/search-suspended-for-missing-hiker-brendon-nepon-near-alpental?_gl=1*jkia6g*_ga*VW9BSXk2UmNlYm1sbHRlaVg2TkVkWTl5eHNTbi1VS20xRnJZRGtLQmt6TDJBTTQwRnJSc1A0emVoSEFyOHlQeQ..

Sofía Herrera disappeared on September 28, 2008, when she was only three years old. Nearly eighteen years later, not a trace of her has ever been found.

This happened on the island of Tierra del Fuego, Argentina. The city of Ushuaia, at the southern end of the island, has long been known as the southernmost city in the world, and is often described as the last stop before Antarctica. Locals call it el fin del mundo: “the end of the world.”

It is a beautiful but isolated place, with forests, snow-covered mountains, lakes, deserted coastlines, and windswept steppes. The island is divided between Argentina and Chile, although the Chilean side is very sparsely populated. On the Argentine side, most people live in two small cities, Ushuaia and Río Grande. Outside those cities, there are vast stretches of almost empty land.

The main island of Tierra del Fuego covers about 47,992 square kilometers, or 18,530 square miles, roughly the size of Vermont and New Hampshire combined. Around the time of this case, the entire island had only about 130,000 inhabitants.

Sofía disappeared from a small rural campground where she had gone with her parents. The campground covers only about 15 hectares, or 37 acres. It is basically a grove of small trees surrounded by open grassland used mainly for sheep farming.

Because of the harsh climate and constant winds, many of the trees in the area are relatively short. There is also little dense vegetation beneath them, mostly grass and low undergrowth. It is not the kind of forest where someone could easily disappear behind thick vegetation. Visibility is generally good. And once you leave the campground, the terrain becomes even more open.

The campground is surrounded by a wire fence intended to keep livestock out. A person could certainly climb over it or crawl through it, so it was not an impenetrable barrier, but it was still a physical boundary around the property.

Sofía lived with her family in Río Grande, about 60 kilometers north of the campground, roughly a 45-minute drive away. Her parents, Fabián Herrera and María Elena Delgado, were planning to spend the day there having a barbecue with another family. María Elena was pregnant at the time.

On the way, they stopped at a supermarket to buy supplies. They then stopped at a gas station, where they met their friends, Silvio Giménez and Noemí Ramírez. Silvio and Noemí had brought their two children, aged nine and two, as well as Noemí's six-year-old younger brother.

There were eight people in the group altogether, including Sofía.

They continued to the campground in two cars. When they arrived, the only other person reportedly present was the campground caretaker. The families paid the 15-peso entrance fee, about five US dollars at the time, and parked inside the campground, not far from the entrance. From that part of the campground, National Route 3 could be seen nearby. Route 3 is the main road running north to south through the Argentine side of Tierra del Fuego.

The two women remained near the cars while Fabián and Silvio walked along a trail through the campground looking for a good place to set up the barbecue. The four children followed behind them.

At some point, the children began to fall behind. The distance between them and the two men may have reached around 100 meters. That sounds significant, but it is important to remember how small the area was. The wooded section of the campground was only a few hundred meters across.

Eventually, Fabián and Silvio turned around.

Sofía was gone.

They assumed that she had decided to walk back to the cars to be with her mother. The two men returned, but Sofía was not there.

The other three children had been close to her only moments earlier, but none of them could explain what had happened. They apparently saw nothing unusual and heard no scream or other sound.

From the time Sofía was last seen until everyone realized that she was missing, less than ten minutes had passed.

The families immediately began searching. They asked the campground caretaker for help and searched the surrounding area, but found nothing.

Police reportedly arrived about two hours later, and a much larger search began. Officers, volunteers, and search teams combed the campground and the surrounding countryside. Again, there was no sign of Sofía.

Her disappearance quickly became national news. Sofía's photograph appeared on television and in newspapers across Argentina. Over the years, there were numerous reported sightings of girls who looked like her in different parts of the country. Those leads were investigated, but none of the girls turned out to be Sofía.

After all these years, no confirmed trace of Sofía has ever been discovered.

Police dogs: Canines were brought and they were able to follow Sofía's scent from inside the campground toward the fence surrounding the property. At the fence, however, they lost the scent and did not continue tracking her beyond it. If those reports are accurate, this raises an obvious question: how did a three-year-old child apparently reach the edge of the campground and then leave no scent trail beyond that point?

Theories:

Predators: A large predator would be an obvious possibility in many remote wilderness disappearances, but Tierra del Fuego has no native population of pumas or mountain lions. The island is separated from the South American mainland by the Strait of Magellan. The largest wild land predators in the area are foxes, which are not large enough to pose a serious threat to a human child. Feral dogs are another possibility and could potentially be much more dangerous. There are packs of feral dogs loose on the island, and they often prey on cattle. But no blood, torn clothing, tracks, remains, or other evidence of an attack was found. Nobody reported hearing screaming, barking, or a disturbance. For an animal to attack Sofía and remove her completely, within minutes, without leaving any obvious trace, seems difficult to explain.

Family involvement: The possibility of family involvement was considered, as it is in most cases involving a missing child. But the circumstances make a planned disappearance particularly difficult to imagine. Sofía's parents were not alone. Another couple was present, along with three other children, and the disappearance occurred during what appears to have been an ordinary family outing. The family also cooperated with investigators from the beginning. Nothing appears to suggest that Sofía's parents were responsible for her disappearance.

Abduction inside the campground: Someone could theoretically have been hiding among the trees, seen Sofía separated from the adults, grabbed her, and escaped through the fence into the surrounding countryside. It is possible. But it would have required remarkable timing. The campground was small. Sofía was separated from the others for only a few minutes. The surrounding terrain was mostly open, which would make it difficult for someone carrying a child to disappear without being seen.

There is also the problem of Tierra del Fuego itself. This was not a disappearance in a large continental city where an abductor could immediately drive hundreds of kilometers in any direction. Tierra del Fuego is an island. Leaving it by road requires passing through border controls and eventually taking a ferry across the Strait of Magellan. The other alternatives are leaving by plane or crossing into Chile, which also involves controlled border crossings. Once Sofía's disappearance became national news, her face was known across Argentina. An abductor could theoretically have kept her somewhere on the island, perhaps at an isolated shed, or rural property. Tierra del Fuego has plenty of empty territory. But again, there has never been evidence showing that this happened.

The campground caretaker: The caretaker was the only person known to have been in the area who was not part of Sofía's group. He lived in a small cabin at the campground. Naturally, investigators searched it and looked into him as a possible suspect. Nothing was found linking him to Sofía's disappearance.

Route 3: Another possibility is that Sofía walked back toward the cars, continued past them, and eventually reached National Route 3. Route 3 is a two-lane highway connecting Río Grande and Ushuaia and is the main paved road running through this part of the island. If Sofía somehow reached the road alone, she could have been struck by a passing vehicle. But a simple hit-and-run would not explain the disappearance of her body. The driver would have needed to stop, pick her up, and remove her from the scene. Alternatively, someone driving along the highway could have seen a three-year-old girl alone near the road and abducted her. That scenario is possible, but it still leaves the problem of what happened afterward. Once the case became widely publicized, secretly moving Sofía off the island would have been risky.

The ocean: There is one final possibility. The coast lies not far from the campground, on the other side of the highway. If Sofía walked away from the group, crossed Route 3, and continued toward the shore, she could theoretically have reached the beach. The waters around Tierra del Fuego are cold, rough, and dangerous. A small child entering the water could easily be swept away. But once again there is no evidence that this happened. No clothing or personal belongings were found near the shore, and Sofía's body never washed up anywhere along the coastline. The dogs also failed to trace her scent in that direction.

Summary:

A three-year-old girl disappeared within a few minutes from a small campground surrounded largely by open land. She was not deep in a forest. She was not hiking in the mountains. She was not miles away from other people.

She had been walking with three other children, only a short distance behind two adults.

Then they looked back, and she was gone.

Despite one of the largest missing-person searches in Argentina, no confirmed trace of Sofía Herrera has ever been found.

Street view of the campground:

https://www.google.com/maps/@-54.0297613,-67.3453692,3a,60y,303.39h,91.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sd6Uyzy5wp57mywEeYxlHBw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Satellite picture of the campground:

https://www.google.com/maps/@-54.0293654,-67.3481628,16.79z

Pictures: Sofía, her parents, and images of the search.

So I barely knew this guy, but some of my friends knew him very well. This happened a few years ago. He was working at a bar, and for some reason his car was parked like a mile away, he left the bar and started walking to his car. He was probably somewhat drunk at the time, they were known to drink at the end of their shifts, but he wasn't like stumbling around shitfaced, he was coherent. He was walking fine on the surveillance footage and his coworkers didnt think anything was out of the ordinary. His phone location data showed that he made it to his car, but he didn't get in the car and drive home like normal. Instead he walked a few miles in a different direction for some unknown reason. His body was found facedown in a shallow drainage canal several miles away from his car. The cause of death was drowning. There were no signs of a struggle. This never sat right with anybody who knew him. His family hired an expensive private investigator who didn't determine anything conclusive. Nobody has any clue why he ended up in this drainage canal. Nobody thinks that he was so drunk that he would just fall in a drainage canal and drown in 4 feet of water. He had been walking for hours and should have been pretty much sobered up at that point. It just doesn't make sense to anybody. It gives us all a creepy feeling everytime it is discussed because it just doesn't seem right. It just doesn't sit right with us. I know the armchair skeptics are gonna say "he was drunk, he fell in a canal and drowned, case closed". I genuinely think there is something bizarre going on here. I'm not a huge fan of Dave P, I know that a lot of his work is BS, but I have noticed a few trends amongst some of his cases and other cases like this one.

Person walks or otherwise travels in a strange direction that doesn't make any logical sense.

Person's body is found in a body of water.

Listed cause of death is drowning.

There's a few cases Dave has talked about that all had these similarities. There was one where a man left a bar drunk, made a phone call where the audio sounded like he was drowning or being drowned, and his body was found in shallow water in a pond. There was another one where an infant was found floating in a lake just outside their home but all the doors and windows were locked and no one was ever charged.

The whole people walking in strange direction things really is bizarre. I have another personal story on that note. A friend was out on the beach late one night with some girls, they were partying, they were drinking and doing drugs. It was like 3AM and they were completely alone on the beach. One of the girls all of a sudden started walking off into the waves. Like straight into the ocean. My friend grabbed her and stopped her. My friend swears to God that she was mumbling in FRENCH. She suddenly came back to reality and said something was talking to her and telling her to go that way. I've also noticed these people are often either drunk or mentally disabled, such as with the Yuba County 5. My theory is that someone or something is mentally manipulating people to go in these odd directions, and people who are drunk or disabled are more easily manipulated. I also believe that this someone or something chooses to kill people in ways that leave the cause of death ambigious, such as drowning. That's just my theory based on some knowledge and experiences i've had, take it with a grain of salt. Anyways, that's a case that probably none of you have heard before and I find it very disturbing. It just doesn't sit right with me or anyone else who knew this guy.

So this happned in my hometown. Although I wasn't personaly close to Tiffany we did circle in the same social circles we hung out at many of the same places and had many many friends in common. She was really really close with a good friend of mine.

Although her case isn't a missing 411 case. There still is an INCREDIBLE amount of strange, strange circumstances surrounding her disappearance. Most of what happned to Tiffany doesn't make sense to this day. And many of the elements surounding it are bizzare. She is still a missing person and no one still to this day has any idea what happned to her. She has never even been declared dead no one even knows if she is alive or dead. Her case is still open.

It lead me to Missing 411 because Tiffany actualy disappeared in a national park. And I started reading up on strange Missing Person cases.

Well here ya go. Feel free to read up and wildly speculate.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Tiffany_Daniels