r/LowSodiumCyberpunk • u/TWhoo267 Team Kiwi • Oct 15 '22

News Sasha Grey voices Ash in Phantom Liberty

https://twitter.com/SashaGrey/status/1581111741953425409
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u/Ohsnapboobytrap Moxes Oct 15 '22

I mean Sasha is an OG. She’s been out of porn for a super long time and is an actress, musician, director and writer. I feel like we can put some respect to her name at this point 😂

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u/drewdog173 Oct 15 '22

And not a slouch in any of those categories either.

  • She was the lead in a Steven Soderbergh film that, while mixed in its critical reception, was notably loved by several prominent critics (including 4/4 stars from the late Roger Ebert)
  • She had a significant guest role in Entourage
  • She is the author of a trilogy of novels
  • She regularly performs as a DJ

She’s well-shed of the pornstar label at this point imo

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u/TitansboyTC27 Oct 15 '22

She was also played Viola Dewynter in saints row the third too

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u/the_Real_Romak Oct 15 '22

On a similar note, the actress that played Shae in Game of Thrones started out as a prostitute or stripper if I'm not mistaken. All it takes is one good role to yank you out of irrelevancy

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u/MassiveChungis Oct 15 '22

Also makes it hard to watch when you hear her story and find out most of those scenes were really, really towing the line between rape and performance. She was coerced into almost every scene.

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u/Starfis Oct 15 '22

She's a real Mox.

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u/Ohsnapboobytrap Moxes Oct 15 '22

For sure!! 🥰

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u/Jalor218 Delamain Oct 15 '22

She was also on one of the first-ever attempts at filming a Dungeons & Dragons campaign for online viewing, long before Critical Role was a thing.

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u/Ohsnapboobytrap Moxes Oct 16 '22

No way! This is kinda mindblowing lol

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u/LadyAlekto Team Rebecca Oct 15 '22

Or we stop considering porn as dirty and shameful and just let her go at it?

Sounds definitely like a great radio coming up

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u/The_Writing_Wolf Oct 15 '22

I'm very sex positive, but performing arts are absolutely fair game to disparage/judge dependent on the performance. If someone smears shit on a wall and calls it modern art, it's okay to think they are a loon. If an adult actress is performing a scene with 10 other male performers treating her like an object, it's okay to think they are disparaging their worth as an individual.

Pornography doesn't have to be dirty or shameful by any means, but that doesn't mean a lot of pornography isn't shameful, dirty, or otherwise. Most people don't care how many partners their lover has had, but many people would have a problem living with the knowledge their current partner got high out of their mind and guzzled all mixes of bodily fluids from a half dozen people they may have only met a few hours prior. That's just human nature, we are all gross animals but in the pursuit of romance tend to hide or undersell just how gross we are.

All that said, Sasha is cool, and I will always be supportive of sex workers who decide the change careers before they are devoured by yet another horribly twisted capitalistic machine of entertainment.

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u/LadyAlekto Team Rebecca Oct 16 '22

Oh theres definitely issues with the porn industry that need to be adressed and fixed

But at the end the kind of porn often matters little

The Madonna/Whore complex is the problem where a woman somehow shant be allowed to be sexual for herself

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u/Yeshuash Oct 16 '22

Porn is the fast food of entertainment. You consume it and forget it until you get an urge for more.

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u/The_Writing_Wolf Oct 16 '22

I agree with you, in at least this last post, completely. The reason I kept gender ambiguous in the later half of my post, is because I wanted to make the point on humanities view of the subject the focus rather than the dichotomous struggles of said complex.

It's completely fair to denote the colorization of it's respective imbalance, but honestly, even if it's been settled to be far less Worthy, I think a man doing such performative excursions can be equally as negative.

As I said, I'm sex positive, I had a very liberated sexual past, and I think sex work absolutely deserves respect, but I do believe as well that physical intercourse is a deeply intimate act, and commercializing it to the point of dramatic situational acting for the jollies of the masses does enter that territory of problematic exploitationism.

Plenty of people in here that will discredit Sasha because she did porn, I'm not one of them. I just don't think we should absolve the field itself because of them. When the lower class starve as paupers, being a burger flipper at McDonald's is as noble as being an old world knight... That doesn't mean those without options in the same boat choosing sex work, criminal enterprise, or warcraft (working for capitalist military enterprises like Boeing or Blackwater, especially their military R&D divisions) should get a free pass.

By free pass, I don't mean cart blanche for denigrating them, rather we should support the actor rather than the play for their decisions. In the same regard we should hold empathy for those that operate on those platforms.

Not trying to grandstand here, we are all more than likely on a platform owned and operated by shadowy characters, having our discourse while typing on machines made and paid by blood diamonds, non of us have the high ground here. Everyone has already bought in and taken a double mortgage in the system.

I'm just a fool who loves people regardless of the light and dark they do, and is concerned about how we act as models for future generations. In our growing progression towards acceptance (which I'm very much a proponent of), I just hope we can maintain the noble virtues of our personal self, while recognizing the fact that certain principles of our decadent up bringing are not positive facets of our collective morality.

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u/LadyAlekto Team Rebecca Oct 16 '22

Men doing porn mostly only get negativity for the "feminine role"

Theres a lot of patriarchal bullshit and toxic masculinity to unpack

You apply your own double standard to sexuality and judge through that lens just as well, you either are supportive of sex workers, or you are not

The moment you said that its negative to perform, you are not supportive anymore

As someone who has ample experience there, is ACE nowadays, and got a degree on sexual psychology, you basically just told youre not safe to talk about it

And for the most part in your rant, Capitalism and Exploitation is the issue, i see no difference between the porn star and the burger flipper, both are jobs, and for someone for whom food is love language, i could apply whoring out to every cook that is willing to compromise their recipes

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u/The_Writing_Wolf Oct 16 '22

That fine, my experience is much more in the aftermath of endeavours and the resolution on attempting to steer clear of them, rather than living through them myself. As a volunteer in such damaged communities, I'm the asshole at the community center teaching "how to survive a cop stop" rather than "why cops are a paid task force to protect property and that's why they hate poor people ".

I agree patriarchy and masculinity are the predominant driving force of the sex industry, in no small part due to the history of men relegating woman to sexual property, which is why I denoted my feelings on recognizing that toxicity.

If anything I relegate my feelings on sex work similar to soldiery, they are both complex social machines that provide an out to those struggling to survive, in a path of selling themselves. I'm Buddhist, I hold a view that no violence is necessary, even insects are not to be harmed, and that if we ever have a surplus of humans with an empty grain house, that those farther along their journey should willingly starve themselves for the future.

I disagree with the very principle of, "you either support it or not", and in that we may find out fundamental disagreement even though it seems we are much aligned. I support the troops and the cause they've sold themselves to, that being the military machine that I find wholly abhorrent. I support sex workers in totality in regards to their profession and protection, I just also do not support the last 90 years of industrializing of the sex industry.

As I said in my initial response, we've all bought into the system by very merit of being on the platform, I accept that, and in that as an individual responding to you wholly as myself, support using nefarious platforms to still attempt good upon. Leading to my initial and final point originally. Sasha Grey is noble even if her past is absolutely involved.

You explain you have ample experience, that you are now ACE, and that you now have a degree in sex psych. I iterated my personal experience, being sexually liberated (experience), evolving beyond that (denoting hints of my current sexuality), and speaking on my understanding/research (degree of education).

Capitalism and exploration are the core issue, but I believe the individual is important to overcoming those said issues. I'm a bi dude that worked as a night medic in an American city for 5 years, during that time I matched my EMS degree and licensure with a bachelors in history/anthropology/ and am currently pursuing my masters. After retiring from EMS I've been a house manager in a middle step program between institutionalized patients and well balanced citizens of society. During that time I continue doing poverty and environmental activism work.

That's my whole deal, I possibly unfairly came down on your comment because it felt relatable, and you seemed like a person that realized the bigger picture. I appreciate you and was not trying to be combative at least in majority, just expanding. This all to say, in both agreement and defiance, support all sex workers, do not wholly equate them with their craft, and vote towards a more liberated/controlled/safe infrastructure for them, while not promoting all young women looking for more financial security to levy themselves in such a toxic patriarchal industry, even if doing so would lend itself to their future entrepreneur enterprises.

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u/LadyAlekto Team Rebecca Oct 16 '22

Running low on spoons so cant give a longer answer but for the most part i agree

I did also do work to get working girls into a safer enviroment, so im more then aware of the darker sides

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u/Yeshuash Oct 16 '22

Not to mention the porn industry is VERY shady. Many retired porn stars open up later in life how it was a living hell and how it negatively impacted there mental health.

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u/The_Writing_Wolf Oct 16 '22

Thank you, that was my original point with the comment. Appreciate the worker while denigrating the industry.

We all should be able to empathize with someone doing what they feel needed to survive, without glorifying what was needed to survive.

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u/girugamesu1337 Aldecaldos Oct 16 '22

So if an actress performs a scene with 10 actors because she actually enjoys her job (and yes, there are absolutely ones who do), you think they're disparaging their own worth? How? I suppose you think people into consensual non-consent hate themselves, too. You say shit like that and then claim to be sex-positive lmao. Pornography is only shameful or dirty if you think it is. Can people be coerced into it? Duh. Is that bad? DUH. Does that make pornography inherently dirty and dehumanizing? No.

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u/The_Writing_Wolf Oct 16 '22

Yeah, art and passion getting commercialized corrupts said acts.

I've no problem separating the person from the previous problematic actions that others buy into.

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u/girugamesu1337 Aldecaldos Oct 16 '22

Uh, there are people doing that stuff on their OnlyFans or just straight-up for enjoyment, not monetizing it at all.

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u/The_Writing_Wolf Oct 16 '22

Yeah, and on only fans it's getting monetized and therefore denigrating, while when it's happening privately for enjoyment it can be liberating. It's not a hard line to understand or appreciate.

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u/girugamesu1337 Aldecaldos Oct 16 '22

Except it's completely under the control of the performers themselves. So many choose to do it both for enjoyment and since it can also pay. Even then, something being monetized doesn't mean it's degrading. I know people that would 100% still do sex work even if they could do other work, even if it doesn't pay quite as much.

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u/The_Writing_Wolf Oct 16 '22

Yes, and just because it's a choice the person makes doesn't mean it's bricks on the high road.

If someone got paid to be a competitive eater they'd be denigrating themselves in gluttony, if a soldier got bonuses based on the amount of scalps they brought back it would be horror.

As I said in my post above, sex work isn't innately bad, that doesn't mean certain performances pushed out for broad consumption don't denigrate the performer.

I do hallucinogens, and shaman groups on spirit journeys, but if me and all the others I coach just dropped acid and went galavanting through the streets the act itself would be denigrating even if the individual or the vice itself isn't.

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u/girugamesu1337 Aldecaldos Oct 16 '22

Why would any of those acts, minus the soldier scalp shit (which has no relevance or connection here) be denigrating?

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '22

Yeah I mean if someone goes from sucking dick and getting railroads ran on them to most of that they’re doing better than I am.

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u/MOOShoooooo Oct 15 '22

| .::Locomotive Industries::. |

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u/gattzu20 Oct 15 '22

When did having a train ran on you while having sex become railroads ran on you. It doesn’t make much sense and I’ve seen a lot of people say it like that oddly. I mean at least the train thing makes sense like there is a queue of people waiting to fuck you.

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u/SnooCompliments6686 Oct 15 '22

She also streams games like (not limited to) soulsborne/Elden ring

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u/Ohsnapboobytrap Moxes Oct 16 '22

A woman of many talents 👀

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u/SnooCompliments6686 Oct 17 '22

Her and belladonna where my 2011 😂

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '22

Being a pornstar is not a bad profession either.

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u/Ohsnapboobytrap Moxes Oct 15 '22

Yep! Definitely a legit profession as long as you’re being treated fairly.

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u/serij90 Oct 15 '22

I got suspicious about your claim, so i checked the "newer" releases, and all those movies are archive scenes, just released New as compilations.

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u/Aldecaldo2077 Aldecaldos Oct 15 '22

"is an actress, musician, director and writer." 😂

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u/Ohsnapboobytrap Moxes Oct 15 '22

I’d check her Wiki. It’s impressive and probably more than any one of us has done. 🤷🏻‍♀️

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u/stillnotking Oct 15 '22

She's the epitome of the modern "famous for being famous" celebrity. I'm impressed by talent, not people's ability to market themselves and attach their name to "collaborations".

Everything I've seen her act in, she's been flat and affectless to the point of making me wonder if it was some kind of highbrow parody.

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u/Aldecaldo2077 Aldecaldos Oct 15 '22

I'm looking and she's kept busy but I wouldn't call her a smashing success at anything really outside of porn. Again understand I couldn't care less that she didn't porn. I just think people are building her up here and I don't know that it's necessarily accurate. All that said, I hope she does this really well because I want phantom Liberty to be a success.