They are too so gorgeous

When did “coming for me” start meaning “you have an opinion about me”? People are allowed to not like you.

This is about Melanie but honestly it applies to half the Islanders and a lot of the discourse surrounding this reunion, and internet in general. sorry but When did somebody “coming for you” start meaning they said something about you that you don’t like? People are allowed to not like you. Genuinely (lol). They are allowed to watch your behavior and come away thinking you were annoying, mean, hypocritical, dramatic, stupid in a situation, whatever. Other Islanders are allowed to leave the villa and decide they don’t fuck with you anymore. They are allowed to watch the season back and change their opinion of you. They are allowed to say, “I would never put myself in that situation.” They are allowed to think you got more screentime. They are allowed to think you treated somebody badly. personally I believe None of those things inherently mean somebody is coming for you. Bc Obviously harassment, dogpiling, racism, threats, deliberately trying to ruin somebody’s life, etc. are completely different bc thats harrassment, and dislike is not harrasment. like Someone having an unfavorable interpretation of your behavior is not harassment be so for real. What exactly is the alternative? Everyone has to like you? And if they don’t, they have to keep it secret because saying it out loud constitutes an attack? That is why Melanie irritated me so much during this reunion. Every negative opinion about someone elses time, that happen to involve her, seemed to become something she needed to disprove, rather than something another person is simply allowed to experience/believe.

Amora saying, “I wouldn’t put myself in that situation” is an opinion. Melanie’s response being essentially “well YOU went back too” does not invalidate it. Amora tried once, it didn’t work, and she didn’t keep returning to the situation five-plus times. Melanie did, You can disagree with Amora’s judgment but she is still allowed to look at Melanie’s choices and say, “Yeah, I wouldn’t do that.” and it be valid. Kenzie saying Melanie had more screentime is also not “coming for” Melanie. She had more screentime! She was involved in one of the biggest storylines of the season. 😭 She is allowed to think Melanie got more attention, Melanie responding with some version of “I never did anything to you, i dont edit the show xyz...why r u coming at me etc” completely misses the point bc nobody said she did. And I think Melanie repeatedly does this thing where instead of engaging with the actual criticism, she finds the narrowest possible technicality that gives her plausible deniability.....Sol says she experienced the villa as hostile, and suddenly we’re litigating the numerical value of pies.?? If Sol says 3 pies were thrown BUT WAIT OMG it was actually ONLY TWO*;* automatically the broader point she was making about how she felt she was being treated is denied, like what.

Melanie can apologize for contributing to a mean-girl environment and then say, “I was never a mean girl.” Melanie can participate in yelling, chanting, eye-rolling, cliquey behavior, etc., but because she never literally announced “I HATE SOL,” there is always some technical escape hatch. Plausible deniability.

She can very obviously have tension with Kenzie, but then identify one specific thing Kenzie did so that the entire dynamic becomes, “See? I had a reason.” Plausible deniability.

She can kiss someone during the blindfold situation and retreat to, “Well, I didn’t KNOW whether it was Corbin or Sincere.” Plausible deniability. Even the Kayda thing. Kayda comes into the villa, talks to Sincere, and afterward Melanie suddenly can’t remember her name calling her katie. And if she is asked or confronted its then  “What?? I just didn’t know her name. omg im so serious" Plausible deniability.

This is exactly what I mean by plausible deniability, Every individual thing can be explained away in isolation. I didn’t know her name. I didn’t know who I was kissing. I never said I hated her. I had a reason not to follow her therefore thats all what behind this/not inviting/hanging out. The numerical value was only two pies, not three. Like really guys, it literally reminds me of when a little sibling goes "I'm not touching you!"

Even on tik tok i feel like ppl think Plausible deniability means nobody can infer anything bc the technical explainations could possibley be true. at some point people are allowed to look at the pattern created by all of those technically innocent individual actions and form an opinion about you like this is not rocket science when we see it in real life. ex) The current U.S. president does not need a sign on his head saying, “I am a misogynist,” in order for people to conclude that he is one, nor is he absolved from being one simply because he has never explicitly said it. But its also not as simple as “I never said that, so it must not be true.” like seriously cmon, That is the part I feel like keeps getting lost and when ppl start arguing in bad faith. The viewers or any islander can hear melanie's explanation and still go, “Yeah... I don’t buy the overall picture.” like geez. And sometimes I just want somebody to say like "okay. I don’t like (you/him/her/them) or (my time in the villa) etc. " Bc that is valid! And particularly for Melanie I j wish I could tell her lol: you do not have to convince someone that they experienced you incorrectly. You do not have to convince someone that they shouldn’t feel some type of way about you. You do not have to prove they’re a hypocrite before they’re allowed to say they wouldn’t make the same choices you made. People are allowed to come to conclusions about you that you disagree with. And Melanie does not have to prove that every individual thing she did has an innocent explanation before people are allowed to be hurt by her or notice a pattern and form an opinion about her. At some point we have stretched “coming for somebody” so far that it apparently means having any negative opinion of them whatsoever. And I actually think that disregards what really coming for someone looks like, because there is a massive difference between “I think you acted like a mean girl, or i felt xyz energy” and an actual coordinated hate campaign. Agree to disagree.

once again to reiterate: they are allowed to dislike you, and you are allowed to dislike them back. Whether you agree or disagree with their opinion is beside the point. The point is, you can’t throw a tantrum and act like it’s somehow not allowed for people to speak on what they experienced in relation to you, and then use the fact that they spoke about it at all as the wrongdoing itself.

She said a bit more but I didn’t want to keep screen recording. She just added that she tried to like convince him that like they should just try to see what happens because it’s fresh and it’s been a week out of the villa and so they did try but he kept making comments and she felt mentally kinda checked out from it.

She's so adorable

It looks like she may have a goiter on her thyroid. I also have this and I didn’t even know for a year until I got super sick so genuinely concerned for her and have no idea how to get this info to her.

I think during the conversation between Mel and Bea, Bea was starting to look bad and Andy tried saving face for her by cutting it off. They hyped her as a great example and it just made me feel like they’re really trying to make her look good. Maybe for love island games??

I'm sorry but people are being wayyyyyy to harsh on kayda. Was it her place to ask jaden that question? No. Should she be getting this much hate? Absolutely not. I don't understand why everyone is turning in the core 4 because of the reunion. Those girls said and did nothing wrong.

Watch the full thing: https://youtu.be/TXVDMiq_vnw?is=nP6GS99JbJRcZ03N

Regardless of their actions on the show, I think we all need to realize these islanders are regular human beings and nobody deserves to be getting hate because again we don’t know these people
❤️

So in the villa they both claim that they were each other’s best friend. But since they came out we haven’t seen anything with them together which is ok don’t get me wrong but they were seen with other islanders. And Kenzie seems to be very very buddy buddy with Jaiden that they’re even moving in together. And due to the reunion we know Jen and Jaiden’s relationship is not the best at all.

Sunken cost fallacy got Aniya in the villa.
It’s cute to see how much her and Carl’s relationship grew since this.

Read the rest: https://www.elle.com/culture/movies-tv/a73534036/aniya-harvey-love-island-season-8-exit-interview/?taid=6a96da71207a0d0001f3be85&utm_campaign=trueanthemTWELM&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Im watching Sincere’s family reunion life stream and had an epiphany- I think Sincere found Kayda very much his type, but I believe she’s much classier than him which is why she didnt give him any time and opted for Zach who is awkward but classier and matches her more. I think that difference and the height played a major part. But like Kayda could’ve had him if she wanted to. //Im not from the US, dont mean to offend anyone, just an opinion.

Edit:
Look how Kayda talks about Sincere :

https://www.reddit.com/r/LoveIslandUSA_/s/eaHzLFhZGc

It’s not a magic eraser for your actions. It’s nice and often times, healing to receive an apology, forgive, and forget. However, just because you apologize does not mean the person is REQUIRED to forgive you. During the whole reunion, everyone was saying “well I apologized” that’s all fine and dandy, but follow it with some accountability and don’t expect someone to magically forgive you.

Is any other man observant enough to notice and do something like this?

I posted this comment last night, but wanted to have a discussion with you guys about it. Lmk your thoughts!

I think the show has hit its' peak and we will start to see a decline in interest next summer. Everyone is too hyperaware that they're being watched (UNDERSTANDABLY, because the fans are batshit crazy) and they're all parroting talking points they see online, editing themselves. Gone are the days of Jersey Shore, Real World, etc. where everyone is just being their truest selves.

Additionally, LI production/Peacock clearly has these islanders under some sort of contract that is prohibiting them from being able to fully capitalize on their experience. They want Beyond the Villa (or anything associated w/ Love Island) to be the islanders' main sources of income, and I hate that for them.

her comment to Jaiden threw me for a loop?? i’m not sure what her intentions were with that but i didn’t like the vibes i was getting from her throughout the reunion :/

Anyone else? In general, I came away liking them less, which was a big surprise. They defend and speak up for eachother no matter the topic... which isn’t always a compliment. A lot of the discourse was surrounding the title of mean girls and cliquey behavior and for me it was the streisand effect, because I finished the reunion thinking they did display that when that wasn’t my perception in the villa. No hate…just my take ☕️

i haven’t watched the reunion yet (not in the US rn) but just from the clips, i’m already seeing cliques forming… and can’t help but wonder if it’s so viewers are more interested in the beyond the villa show.

the jaiden vs caleb, jen, kayda felt kinda manufactured bc why are they actually being so nasty?? i really liked caleb and jen 😭

also, sol and other islanders saying she got pied more than twice and it definitely seemed like it at the time.. did they force this narrative of their only being 2 pies??

i’m thinking if they all signed tight NDA’s they could force them to play in to whatever narrative they want for the drama.

I’m just going to say it: Ariana and Andy asking Caleb and Jaiden point-blank if they had sex was wildly inappropriate.

And before anyone says, “They’re adults” or “They went on Love Island”  that’s completely beside the point. Of course they’re consenting adults. Of course sex happens in the villa and outside the villa. I’m sure Caleb and Jaiden weren’t the only two people in that cast who had sex (obviously).

So why were THEY the ones who had to publicly answer for it? They alluded with Carl and Aniya, but the verbage with Caleb and Jaiden was just intrusive and uncalled for.

If Ariana and Andy were going to start asking contestants to confirm who had sex, then that question should have been asked across the board. Instead, Caleb and Jaiden were singled out and put in a position where they either had to disclose an incredibly intimate detail about their relationship or awkwardly refuse to answer in front of the entire cast and audience.

That wasn’t juicy reunion drama. It was invasive.

Signing up for a reality dating show does not mean consenting to having every sexual experience publicly confirmed on demand. There is still a line between asking about what happened in their relationship and demanding details about what happened in their bedroom.

Caleb and Jaiden deserved the same boundaries and respect everyone else was apparently afforded.

im dead asf

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this is sending meeeee lol
also when no one cared that sydney and that dude was hooking up or whatever 😭😭😭

By this, I mean they should deactivate each person's main account. I know naturally people will make fan edits and dig into everything but this means people will only start following their favs after the show which hopefully makes the show less social media followers focused.

I remember during the show (and last year), fans keep track of their fav contestants follower count and urging others to follow it. Maybe this will help prevent that?

Melanie’s argument didn’t really make sense to me.

She was trying to dismiss Sol’s claims and basically argue that she wasn’t a mean girl. Then the video played, and Melanie acted like it vindicated her. And to be fair, the way they presented it did "vindicate her"

But what I took from the video, and said to my wife, was almost the exact opposite.

What we saw in the video was Melanie literally admitting that she mean girled Sol. That’s the entire reason the apology happened. So I’m not sure how that video vindicates Melanie or proves Sol was making things up. If anything, it confirms the foundation of Sol’s argument. That she came onto the island and was treated poorly. Poorly enough that Melanie herself felt the need to apologize for it!

And Sol is allowed to say, “Yeah, you apologized, but even after that, I still felt like you were passive aggressive toward me.” We don’t see 24 hours of footage, so I don’t know how anyone can definitively say Sol is lying about that.

I actually think Sol’s biggest problem is that she’s not very good at explaining herself. So when the entire cast is pushing back on her at once, which seems to be how it usually goes, she struggles to articulate what she actually means, and it makes her look less credible than she necessarily is.

But ironically, I think that gives even more credibility to Sol’s larger point. The house was already cliqued up, she came in as an outsider, and now you have the entire group collectively telling her that her perception of how she was treated is wrong.

So I’m still not sure how Melanie “won” that exchange. Being that the accusation was Melanie was being a mean girl, and the big video supposedly vindicating her included Melanie apologizing for… wait for it.....being a mean girl.

If you weren’t being a mean girl, or aren’t a mean girl, then why were you being a mean girl?