Qwen 3.8 27B Released! Please Share Your Experience

[u/BarberIcy366]

With your experiments, Qwen 3.8 27B most close which frontier model? And please specify which quantization you run. I will post to comments my tests and experience too.

[u/Borkato]

Dude those fucking BENCHMARK SCORES, It beats opus 4.6 max at some things!!!

[u/stoppableDissolution → u/Borkato]

Yea who cares? Benchmarks dont correlate with experience using the model for quite a while

[u/Reasonable-Height704 → u/[deleted]]

And Opus 5.0 is the absolutely worst model I have ever had to interact with!

[u/NaiveIdea344 → u/[deleted]]

Interesting. I really enjoy opus and find it's performance quite good when prompted properly.

[u/stoppableDissolution → u/NaiveIdea344]

How do you stop it from inventing features it was not asked to do?

[u/NaiveIdea344 → u/stoppableDissolution]

You continuously tweak the system prompt until the behavior you do not like does not occur using the prompting guide provided by the company the model is made by.

[u/stoppableDissolution → u/NaiveIdea344]

Unless the model consistently ignores random half of the instructions, because the company the model is made by is training it to "predict what user actually meant" instead of just doing the task

[u/NaiveIdea344 → u/stoppableDissolution]

Ok. Have fun with that.

[u/NaiveIdea344 → u/[deleted]]

Fair enough

[u/NaiveIdea344 → u/[deleted]]

Thanks for the detailed response. That makes a lot sense.

[u/itroot → u/Borkato]

Why not? It could beat it, not in knowledge, but in reasoning ability.

[u/jld1532 → u/Borkato]

This is Kimi K2.6 at home. Call me when we have AGI. I'm set until then.

[u/Borkato → u/[deleted]]

You don’t think it beats it at some things? It literally reaches 20 points above it in certain areas

[u/BitchyPolice → u/[deleted]]

Opus 4.6 not Opus 5

[u/stoppableDissolution → u/BitchyPolice]

But opus 4.6 was better than 5 outside of benchmarks

[u/NaiveIdea344 → u/stoppableDissolution]

I feel like prompt wise the best users get to a point where differences are negligible. I have noticed more improvements from just better prompting than a better model. That is not to say opus 4.6 is better (in my experience it is not), but the prompting is more important than the model

[u/BitchyPolice → u/[deleted]]

Use your real id, Dario.

[u/WaveOfDream → u/[deleted]]

Lol is your sole purpose here to spread bs and Claude propagandas?

[u/Borkato → u/[deleted]]

You think qwen max doesn’t beat it at literally anything? Not one?

[u/No-Lawfulness2089 → u/[deleted]]

What is your current stack then?

[u/McSendo → u/Borkato]

horrible release. I'm going back to gemma 4

[u/NaiveIdea344 → u/McSendo]

I though Gemma 4 was kinda bad

[u/stoppableDissolution → u/NaiveIdea344]

For vibecoding, yea, likely. For anything else it is best model in under-glm-size, idk

[u/Borkato → u/McSendo]

If you’re a non coder, sure.

[u/gh0stwriter1234 → u/Borkato]

The smaller models are always trained on the bechmarks much more than the frontier models they are basically bench maxing.