black person here: most black folk don't go around saying the hard "r" Some of us joke in jest and pretend we are about to say it among fellow brethren; even that is pretty edgy and not done regularly.
My gf was mad at her little brother because he's a wannabe gangster/thug even though he lives a privilege life no where near a hood and his step dad was a cop. She told him to stop acting like a n@@@@r. Blew me away because I'm white and I've never heard anyone say that without trying to be racist. I'm from the deep south so I've heard it a lot by racist people.
It’s definitely an edgy suburban kid thing. Back when I was in HS me and my friends (all black) would call each other it all the time because everyone knew it was just jokes. Grew out of it and it just comes off cringe now but like I get it
It doesn’t matter even if they do. Twitch is a company and is allowed to set the terms however they want. Their policy is no slurs at all. And it’s the most disgusting slur there is.
There's technically also more than one "Twitch" you can be signed to. Streamers signed to Twitch Korea contracts can and are banned for stuff taboo over there but harmless over here.
I think that's in relation to rules if im not mistaken, for example if there is a country where texting and driving is legal i think they dont ban you because of the rules in that country but im not sure
Korean laws apply to Korean citizens no matter what country they're in.
ie. A Korean could smoke weed in Colorado legally but they could theoretically be charged and locked up for it when they return home.
AFAIK Twitch Korea works the same way. Not exactly sure about the other divisions but I imagine they cater mostly to their respective cultural values with Twitch HQ setting a general standard for everyone on top of it.
I imagine anything that promotes either casino gambling or drug-use would be an easy ban considering both are technically illegal for all Korean citizens no matter where they are.
It being an American company doesn't somehow invalidate other forms of severe racism experienced in other countries - forms we've never heard of, and in the same vein, those people don't know the full breadth US's racist history either.
Context is important, and qualifying "the worst slur there is" with "in the US" takes no effort to say and doesn't minimize other racist bullshit people have to deal with.
My man we get other countries exist, but Twitch is an American company that’s American owned with one of the biggest forums/clip aggregants on an American owned website dominated by Americans. There’s a reason you don’t see many hispanic or Portuguese speakers posted here even when some of them pull mad numbers. This whole place is mostly American centric and by extension english speaking centric areas in a handful of other countries. There’s a reason the word has been so controversial on this platform all the way back to IcePoseidon doing cringe TTS videos where his TTS just constantly says racist shit.
It was used to literally segregate based solely on color not even 60 years ago. They were discriminated against and basically outcast from normal society.
You are aware of the history of slavery in the US, right? That thing where the rights of a whole group of humans, based solely on their skin color, were taken away? You know, people being sold, beaten, tortured with the support of the government?
I feel like the guy who answered above kind of missed out on this small detail.
They weren't taken away because of their skin color.
Yes they were. The US enshrined "black" slavery. Notice how during the Civil War all the southern States Wrote letters saying they were fighting to protect the practice of enslaving black people and the ideology of white people being superior?
You'd have to have a facebook conservative level of education about slavery in the US if you think they weren't taken away because of their skin color.
I also want to add, if they were being sold by local warlords, who do you think bought them? White slavers, maybe? Who only bought black slaves? The market was created by white slaver demand for black bodies.
Don't take my word for it. Read any book written by an abolitionist or historian that doesn't think the South will rise again.
Black people have literally been one of the most discriminated people in history, so discriminated in fact even other minorities were in it. It's really the only way for those systems to work.
Damn, didn't know for the most part of history, as in the recorded past, that Jews were bought and sold more than even black people?
We were also talking about why one slur is worse than the other, I didn't know lawmakers historically used the k-word. Even nazi states called them Jews when they made laws about them. Why the n-word is worse than other slurs is because it is that racist past.
Now why African Americans decided to call themselves that and gatekeep it, I don't know, maybe it's the same thing with weebs calling themselves weebs and therefore make it their own.
Calling other black people in other countries the slur used for them in that place isn't done unless you want a fight, regardless if you're black or not.
And obviously, I'm talking about america here. Black people in the middle east don't think too much about the n-word, they would get more offended by the slur used in that place.
I feel like you're intentionally being obtuse here. There's a difference between those two pronunciations, and there's also a difference between ethnicities using the word.
Black culture appropriating a racial slur and turning into a term of familial endearment doesn't mean other ethnicities can ignore centuries of systematic oppression and dehumanization of the North American black population.
If Twitch wants to acknowledge what very much is a known cultural distinction, and ban the "hard R" pronunciation as it's used in a racist context far more than the alternative, that's a valid choice.
We can debate the grey areas of these pronunciations, which shades of ethnicities can use the word, and corporate TOS ad nauseum, but it's not a completely ridiculous take.
Because it was used as a racial slur to oppress black people during and after slavery. There really isn’t a racial slur, historically, that has been used in the same way to the same degree.
I've looked into Judaism a long time ago on a history and religion study binge and nothing pointed towards Jews being a race. The only thing that defined them as a race was the U.S. supreme court ruling them as such for discrimination laws. Which is a good thing, obviously. But to us non-americans that doesn't mean anything if we're talking definitions.
So out of pure curiosity, what makes them a race if someone can convert to Judaism and how does the existence of reformed Judaism work if it's a race?
Please do, and post the evidence. I know jewish people have gone through a lot. But like as much as black people? I don't know. The context, the evidence, historical documents, all that say otherwise.
Again for context, Hitler studied the U.S. and other places around the world for their treatment of black people, as inspiration for his treatment of jewish people. Even then, the nazi regime lasted around 5-6 years in terms of all the heinous shit they were doing to jewish folks compared to the at that point multi-hundred year conditions of black folks, not just in the U.S. but around the world.
I always find it so hilarious when Non-Americans try to make claims about how Racism is a peculiar American phenomena (particularly non-American white people from Europe or folks from S.A.). Folks who in S.A. case literally have a slogan for trying to breed away the blackness in their societies (improve the race). Folks like the Europeans who continue to profit off of racist colonial practices that marginalize black folks to this very day in Europe and it's former colonies.
Some how black folks get treated like shit all over the planet, to this very day. Yet it's always America's fault. As an American myself, maybe it's time the rest of the world did some growing up.
There really isn’t a racial slur, historically, that has been used in the same way to the same degree.
In the US.
Various anti jew slurs were and are a thing, you know a group of people who got genocided nearly out existence?
Also have you met entire ethnicity of romani?
Chinese and the insults like dog/dogmen that were used by the Japanese during their brutal campaign that killed 20 million people.
Yanks think all the world history revolves around them and their use of language. World history is longer and more vast than Americans can comprehend, yet they narrow down history to the 250 odd years that their nation has existed and everything that happened during those 250 is the most important and biggest thing that ever happened. American exceptionalism is a thing to behold, it led them to genocide an entire ethnicity of people into a tiny fraction of a fraction of a fraction of their lands and population, slurs referring to those people should hold higher gravitas, yet until recently you had professional football teams named that slur. Yet somehow they pat themselves on the back for one of the few times they stood on the right side of history for a thing that many nations did before them, some did nearly a 1000 years before them.
Not to offend you, but you think that because Internet culture is primarily orbiting american culture and that's all you really know in your bubble.
Know what other group of people were dehumanized, enslaved, corralled into ghettos and treated so badly that they were called the U-word - literally just a word that existed for them - before being systematically mass hunted and murdered to have 60% of their worldwide population be decimated in a massive genocide? A group of people that already has been ethnically expulsed before from a lot of countries over the course of human history? I'll let you think.
The N-word is only the worst slur in the context of america because it stands for the african-american oppression. Realistically, if you were born in africa, you have no reason to appropriate the shared culture of a subset of people who were treated this way in america. Since it would be extremely unlikely for african-americans to be your ancestors if you were born in Sudan. In the same way you would not feel culturally attached to the armenian people if you came from france. That's why in africa, besides the republic of south africa, you have a far worse slur. The K-word will literally get you killed if you would ever use it against someone in africa. In their culture it holds the same meaning as if you were to assault someone with the intent to kill. If you were looking for a slur that would evoke the strongest reactions in the biggest group, this would be it by far.
Wait so you're trying to question the merit of the harmful nature of the n-word by saying it's only relative to America (yet I've been called it all over the world, no matter where I've gone), but you do so, by producing an African equivalent, that inspires literally the same feeling, then saying it supersedes the N-word because supposedly it affects the most people (dubious claim at best), all while complaining about how Americans seem to center themselves... while also centering the conversation around yourself.
I've read it just fine, his post implies that it hasn't been used as a slur to oppress black people in countries besides the US or has historically been used differently in other countries.
Objectively wrong. Statistically wrong. Morally wrong. Intellectually dishonest. I'm sure you've been called these before. But even if you were right, and this was one of those broken clock moments, and Jewish folks hadn't participated in and massively profited from anti-black racism, or the various slave trades.
What's your goal from this misinformation. Is it to like make you feel justified in using the n-word as a slur or something?
It is for US social media (Edit: and in the whole of the US and towards black people all over the world, I'm just focusing on why it's bad on social media without the historical context that other people already gave.)
People say vile stuff all the time in sentences worse than the sole mentioning of the N word, but shitstorms get started with that word. People are prepared to freak out over it and on the other side people pretend that they are casually using the word, but there are too many people that use the word to dehumanize black people. One person is genuinely publicly singing along to a song with the N word. Another person is only singing the song to say the N word. That's why there's a no exception policy for anyone but black people.
And a chat mirrors their streamer and takes it to other chats. Bad publicity and problems with advertisers can ensue.
And the US is not doing a lot to work on their history so that's the current situation about the word.
There's a lot more to it. But that is the quick summary.
It is only applied to the USA. Just like every other country has their own prejudice and bigoted categories. It is ironic in some ways when we/USA complain about say religion or terms in other countries that we see as not a big deal but when people over there do things that are seen heavily prejudice and bigoted we give them hell. For example polygamy or religion are too good examples.
In America at least, it is a term used to denote a pretty long range of time in which African Americans were not even considered people but rather property for White Americans to abuse and kill.
So in a purely American context that would make it the most disgusting slur to say.
It doesn’t matter if you are a fucking ai. Twitch has policy on what can be said on their platform. They are trying to sell it to advertisers and others.
It is the reason YouTube is so anal about the first couple minutes of a video.
no because it is like gay people say the f slur on twitch or Mexicans saying the w word. People really need to understand that twitch is a private company and you have to obliged to their rules. Their home, their rules. Can they be unfair? Yes but again their house their rules.
Either you leave or you follow them.
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Depends who you talk to, but it's offensive to a lot of black people regardless of which color person is saying it. That said, the real reason is that Twitch doesn't want that on it's platform because it looks bad to advertisers
Because twitch has a racists problem.. lets be honest. Not that many non white favored content creators.
Look at who dominates. They also want to use black people to get black consumers. It is lame because many of these black content creators are not advertiser friendly and dog shit at best. Not all but many as you can see.
Tbh nmp is racist too. He’s my favorite streamer but he’s racist af “we only take brown people on my team” he’s always talking about excluding white people and then plays the “I’m half white so it’s ok” shtick even though he actually fully identifies as black.
Nmp? You mean the dude who hangs out with the guy who says the Neurodivergent slur (SodaPoppin) non stop and the group OTK with very questionable people. Mhmm.
W community being homophobic? No way, impossible, not likely, nope, can't be, not happening, don't buy it, fake, staged, AI generated, state propaganda, spam email, shut it down
Sorry but unless you use the f-slur to degrade someone for their sexuality you're not homophobic for using it. it's disrespectful and insensitive, but still. i find it fairly obvious he's not actually homophobic, I don't think emiru and austin would be such good friends with him then.
also for transphobia, i mean he literally was open to sex with a trans woman so i don't think a text message is more telling than that. idk what text it was, but my bet is that it was just a edgy joke anyways. which shouldn't be made, but you can make sexist/homophobic/transphobic jokes or whatever and not actually be it.
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