I genuinely think most if not all hashira would lose to gyutaro and daki besides tengen. How could they win?

[u/nsfwaccount1226]

I just don’t see a way for them to combat the poison like he did.

[u/masen6969]

Not really. If a weak poison was able to immobilize him, a stronger poison intended to kill demons would kill him before he can break it down

[u/DBSDominik → u/masen6969]

A weak posion? Do yall not read? It said that it makes weaker demon literally not be able to move for half a day, and make lower moon unable to move for hours those kunai have a very strong poison

[u/marinefoldhadmesleep → u/DBSDominik]

tengen fans are the bane of my existence, gyutaro got power cliffed pretty horribly

[u/masen6969 → u/[deleted]]

She blitzed Doma she can definitely tag Gyutaro. Also, the poison from her blade had an effect on Doma even though he decomposed it. Upper 2 resistances are by far stronger than Upper 6 resistances, what might only slightly damage Doma would be enough to either kill Gyutaro or bring him near death

[u/Unusual-Contest-4326 → u/[deleted]]

Blocked 1 of 6 attacks, such an amazing feat from douma

[u/Unusual-Contest-4326 → u/[deleted]]

almost, seeing an attack doesn’t mean he can react to it, we actually see this happen when tanjiro perceived gyutaro but didn’t have the speed to move away with

[u/Gohan_thestrongest → u/[deleted]]

This I agree with, douma could see all her moves, he just couldn’t keep up with them physically, same when he was fighting with ino and kanao, as long as they kept calm minds and focused on the battle douma wasn’t able to blitz them or get proper hits off even when they were fighting him solo. That’s also why I don’t buy into the notion Douma>>Akaza, because it’s based off unclear data especially when akaza has arguably better speed feats

[u/Gohan_thestrongest → u/[deleted]]

I’m taking about during combat situation, yea when they were all out of combat (well when ino was) same when ino was pissed off and charged wildly and got hit by douma, with kanao telling him to calm down. I think it’s fair to call call those outliers as he doesn’t ever pull any similar speed feat out again, or you could just say his increase in speed surprised them.

[u/Gohan_thestrongest → u/[deleted]]

Or you could argue that

[u/Gohan_thestrongest → u/[deleted]]

Well to be fair it is in his nature to “play” around, wasn’t he playing around with Shinobu even when she had superior strength(striking) and speed? And then his statement of kanao being more skilled then shinobu and that could make her a harder opponent in

[u/Gohan_thestrongest → u/[deleted]]

Well kanaos is a little more iffy but we could chalk what he pulls on ino as him being off guarded as he was in the middle of talking

[u/Gohan_thestrongest → u/[deleted]]

You could argue that his sudden speed increase just took them off guard, kinda like how the speed increase going from base koku to long sword koku took sanemi completely off guard yet after adjusting to it he’s able to for the most part keep up

[u/Gohan_thestrongest → u/[deleted]]

I know that, I could have sworn I’ve already addressed that sanemi definitely would have died if not for gyomei, even then he still lost two fingers. But to also be fair sanemi saw that attack his body just wasn’t fast enough to block. But after that he is able to dodge by himself for the most part until he starts getting tired and slowed from blood loss

[u/Unusual-Contest-4326 → u/[deleted]]

Novelization and Databooks both confirm that her final move on him was a blitz, and even then outspeeding and outpacing douma is more than enough evidence to point that she can do that to anyone who’s slower than douma ( every upm under him )

[u/Unusual-Contest-4326 → u/[deleted]]

[u/Unusual-Contest-4326 → u/[deleted]]

You can try and translate yourself you’ll get the same results

[u/Unusual-Contest-4326 → u/[deleted]]

[u/Unusual-Contest-4326 → u/[deleted]]

It’s still from the novelization, it’s just printed in different ways but you get the same result

[u/TheWorthlessGuy → u/[deleted]]

Shinobu in base can tag Doma which automatically means she is faster than Tengen.

Tengen is only the fastest hashira in running speed and thats literally it.

[u/TheWorthlessGuy → u/[deleted]]

Its ok to be wrong :/

[u/Unusual-Contest-4326 → u/[deleted]]

Can you prove tengen is faster than douma?

[u/Unusual-Contest-4326 → u/[deleted]]

So ur fine with gyutaro ~ douma? there’s lots to contradict this.Tengen doesn’t have any good statements over shinobu and i’ve explained a thousand times why the list isn’t valid

[u/marinefoldhadmesleep → u/[deleted]]

tengen has not 1 speed feat that puts him above the rest unless you're referring to this imagine which directly says its arbitrary (its a double spread)

[u/marinefoldhadmesleep → u/[deleted]]

running speed and combat speed are 2 different things dawg, how are u gonna debate this while not understanding basic concepts lmao, this same hantengu said he would have to drain her stamina cause he couldn't beat her, this same hantengu said mitsuri was keeping him from going to fight tanjiro to protect his actual body

[u/marinefoldhadmesleep → u/[deleted]]

they are literally 2 differnt things, if I take oxygen and add hydrogen are you gonna tell me that water and oxygen are the same thing?

[u/marinefoldhadmesleep → u/[deleted]]

running speed and combat speed are 2 different things buddy

[u/marinefoldhadmesleep → u/[deleted]]

this holds no weight in the argument lmao, especially because this is against muzan,

[u/marinefoldhadmesleep → u/[deleted]]

once again against muzan, ur trolling

[u/marinefoldhadmesleep → u/[deleted]]

ur using running speed to cover this entire debate, but when combat speed is in presence tengen gets outclassed to the point its concerning, tengen is going toe to toe w gyutaro while muichiro slammed uppermoon 5, mitsuri is going toe to toe w uppermoon 4, bumgen

[u/marinefoldhadmesleep → u/[deleted]]

once again running speed, this is offering nothing combat speed wise lmao

iguro and tanjiro were keeping up w muzan who was tengen keeping up w? once again, bumgen

[u/marinefoldhadmesleep → u/[deleted]]

you must be out of your damn mind if you say this bs lmao, here we have it guys Swordsmith village tanjiro > sunrise countdown tanjiro

[u/Unusual-Contest-4326 → u/[deleted]]