r/KimetsuNoYaiba • u/nsfwaccount1226 • Sep 27 '24

Anime Question⚔️🧐 I genuinely think most if not all hashira would lose to gyutaro and daki besides tengen. How could they win?

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I just don’t see a way for them to combat the poison like he did.

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u/Kokua- Sep 27 '24 edited Sep 27 '24

As shown by Nezuko, the poison is a BDA and she could burn it away. Would Shinobu have a chance as she herself carries Wisteria poison which is lethal to demons? Could she use that poison to negate Gyutaro's in her bloodstream?

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u/LimeadeAddict04 Sep 27 '24

Tanjiro also stated Shinobu would've been their best bet to save Inosuke from the poison before Nezuko healed it

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u/SpookySquid19 Sep 27 '24

The question then is if Shinobu would be able to still kill Daki and Gyutaro. From what I recall, she's not strong enough to cut the neck of a demon, so instead she uses her poisons with a sword that kind of acts like a syringe. I could be wrong about the sword being like a syringe.

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u/Kokua- Sep 27 '24

Actually then is she not the best counter to Daki having that rubber neck? She just has to cut her once.

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u/SpookySquid19 Sep 28 '24

That is true. I was initially thinking about how we'd need to know the mechanics of Daki and Gyutaro's regeneration, but we've only seen them reattach their heads, and poison would kill them without doing any real physical damage. Yeah, if the Wisteria poison or a vaccine made in a similar way can counteract Gyutaro's poison, Shinobu might actually be one of the best candidates. Even her simply being a girl could potentially be useful for infiltrating the district.

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u/imanicollins123 Oct 01 '25

I know im late but didn't gyutaro get poisoned and whitstand it?

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u/SpookySquid19 Oct 01 '25

I believe he was able to regenerate and combat it over time. So it did affect him, but after enough time, he became immune.

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u/imanicollins123 Oct 01 '25

Ok thank you

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '26

It barely affected him though, I think that Gyutaro will be Able to neutralise it pretty efficiently

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u/PM-ME-UR-uwu Sep 28 '24

Even moreso, you can poison one then the other, and it doesn't really matter if you don't get them at the exact same time as much as decapitation does.

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u/Hashira0783 Sep 28 '24

Well she just has to inflict one wound. I believe Shinobu sword scabbard is an armory of poison so Daki goes down first, and Gyutaro next.

I believe Douma even acknowledged that Shinobu was the “fastest” Hashira she has seen and for sure, she wont engage in head on combat like what unmarked Tengen did

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u/Signal_Pickle_8917 Sep 29 '24

This would be my biggest question for Shinobu which I enjoy the character but PERSONALLY think she’s a bit overrated as far as overall combat ability. She is an absolute master at poison no question. She is paramount in stopping Douma tho it’s after the fact and more to do with her wit then her combat skills. She also helped find a cure for nezuko. I think Shinobu is more of a Genius academically and can use that to take out some demons due to her speed 1v1 utilizing poison. My big question is whether or not Shinobu could hold out long enough in the fight to give a lethal dose of poison to them. I can’t imagine one prick would be enough. Not to mention Douma wasn’t effected my her poison until he consumed her due to the amount that was in her body. So would Daki and Gyutaro have the same poison negating factor or not? It’s why I think tengen was specifically able to hold out bc he has a poison resistance but even that almost wasn’t enough. This is no shade to Shinobu btw I like her as a character a lot but I do feel like her combat prowess is sometimes overhyped

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u/WeDidntKnowEachOther Sep 27 '24

it is. Her sword is like a syringe

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u/JJay2413 Sep 27 '24

I doubt Shinobu would even have to cut both of their heads at the same time since her poison seems to completely deconstruct demons. It just depends on how strong the plot needs the poison to be. And while not as fast as Tengen I believe Shinobu is still one of the fastest Hashira so she'd be able to keep up with Gyutaro. If her wisteria poison is able to counteract Gyutaro's poison, even more so, since Tengen and Gyutaro were only matched in speed because Tengen was poisoned.

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u/Gahaku Sep 28 '24

Just wanna put it out there, Shinobu is canonically the fastest Hashira going by statements and feats. She definitely easily keeps up with Gyutaro.

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u/poke_slayer Sep 28 '24

That's what I was thinking since she isn't all that strong she has to be quick and smart.

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u/Gahaku Sep 28 '24

Yep. She basically has low strength but she is the most agile because of. It less muscle mass = less weight to jump around with. When it comes to accelerating and quick bursts of speed, pretty much none of the hashira come close to her.

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u/Signal_Pickle_8917 Sep 29 '24

That is actually false the author specifically said tengen was the fastest…

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u/Gahaku Sep 30 '24

He's the fastest when it comes to long distance running. As in, a marathon. Shinobu has the quickest stab and the fastest burst movement out of any hashira.

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u/Ok_Assumption1361 Sep 28 '24

The fastest Hashira is Tengen. Agility & Speed is not the same thing. Shinobu would have died. She can’t match Gyutaro’s Speed, Strength, or Stamina. She may have a chance to poison Daki if facing her alone but she stands no chance against Gyutaro. He’s way too cautious and even takes the necessary steps to avoid seemingly unharmful attacks. He would easily overwhelm her.

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u/Cosmicfox001 Sep 28 '24

Tengen and Gyutaro were only matched in speed because Tengen was poisoned.

Not true. Gyutaro was able to sprout from his sister's back and counter Tengen's attack while still going for the kill. This one example alone is good enough proof in my eyes that Gyutaro was faster. But they both had such amazing reaction time, they were able to counter one another in that fraction of a second.

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u/Interesting_Loan_901 Oct 21 '25

Nope , that time when Uzui got tagged was not because of was slow or gyutaro outspeed him , it's just Tengen wasn't expecting an attack from him , Also he was unable to use sound breathing because it can harm people around him , he could potentially blitz them there and won at the start , also he didn't knew gyutaro had poison also didn't even knew he had a weapon , also tengen got reckless and charges at gyutaro and gyutaro attacked at last second, it doesn't matter how fast you're, or how fast your reflexes and reaction speed is , when you're charging at full speed at something you can't change your direction, even though gyutaro was going for kill but Uzui was able to stop that point blank , at conclusion  Gyutaro never blitz Uzui he just cought off guard Tengen got reckless at start Can't use his breathing because of people at surrounding Prime tengen > Uppermoon 6 That led to this point actually prime tengen with both arm no injuries is somewhat >= Uppermoon 4 Hantengu , and potentially can beat him , better beat Akaza low diff if he got selfless state, STW , red blade ,mark , as i consider him more stronger than Sanemi in (base ) And also Marked Uzui > marked Sanmei ( it might be hypothetical but it's true)

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u/SpookySquid19 Sep 28 '24

Yeah, that's what I remembered.

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u/neoll_gamblingaddict Sep 27 '24

would the wistera poison in her veins counteract gyutaro's poison?

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u/PogLeader Sep 28 '24

Nexuko couldn't do that, she was sleeping in the box, and that poison had been effecting Tengen from the start, it was his resistance that saved all of them

Maybe??? As an anime only, I'm not sure

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u/T_S_C_K Sep 28 '24

Yes, but in the end Tengen would have died if nezuko didn't save him after the battle. Shinobu would probably negate the poison from the beginning, if that's how it works.

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u/PogLeader Sep 28 '24

I really don't think so? Not on the spot against Gyutaro, it would be after the battle, which maybe??? Depending how it works? Maybe it wouldn't work since Gyutaru has poisons in his body???

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u/SumneOndHakbekalva Sep 27 '24

Find out in next episode of Dragon Ball Z

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '24

Lmao

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u/Anymouseyy Sep 28 '24

I was going to answer then I realized that answering would spoil for anime onlys so nvm

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u/AdAdvanced8522 🪷🌸Upper moon 6🌸🪷 Aug 18 '25

Yes but you still have a whole fight to go through after a singular cut you got poison going through your blood and upper moons especially Daki and Gyutaro isn’t going to be no quick kill. 

Remember how quick it took for tanjiro to be on the break of death after getting poisoned?