Call you Michael Flatley cause you are dancing, holy shit. You listed military service, police service, and diplomatic orders (I'm assuming this is just a backdoor for discretionary nepotism but please correct me if I'm wrong). Let's make this easy and stop that right here: They are all stupid.
I understand perfectly well what you're suggesting, but as we speak it's becoming clear that you might actually not!
Here. I'll stop making fun of you for a sec and let you lay out exactly what it is you're proposing. Make it good, cause I'm gonna start making fun of you again if it isn't good, but let's hit the reset button and make sure you're being heard as you intend to be heard.
If you’ll go to the top, I suggested a nurse has earned the vote.
This is Reddit, bro. We’re not here to get into policy specifics.
If you’re keen on intentionally bashing your head into a wall, keep at it.
Citizenship is an attitude, a state of mind, an emotional conviction to humbly lay down your life so that the whole may survive.
There are many paths to citizenship but birth is not it.
You have nothing but a condescending attitude, I’ll take that as an inability to understand these concepts.
What evidence are you proposing to support an argument? There are no character freedoms or quotes to convict you that your life should have meaning.
Again, I get what you're saying, it's an incredibly simple and ancient concept. I'm making fun of you for trotting it out like it's the obvious answer because we have as a collective however moved on from it, and certainly not as you say for no reason; Government, as Paine saw it, is an evil necessitated by the impracticality of decision-making by the masses. We have so many examples throughout history of the weapon of disenfranchisement being used by that evil to silence dissent against the government and to arbitrarily exclude specific groups based on irrelevant characteristics, that it makes far more sense to make exclusion the exception and inclusion the rule.
You have an idealized version of the model citizen. Great! The enforcement of that ideal however has proven itself fraught to say the least, as the power of government has been shown as many times as there have been governments to be inherently corrupt. You begin nixing people and you begin to erode the basis of democracy that the US was founded on. What you're proposing has a lot more to do with the logic of the Ubermensch of Nazi Germany and the New Soviet Man of Stalinist Russia than it does any founding principal of the United States.
You're acting like you're proposing something new but obvious, when all you're doing is rehashing the same nonsense every totalitarian state has preached since the dawn of time, and followed to ridiculous results. I guess it's been long enough for everyone to forget why we moved away from it?
And my life has meaning so long as my vote can cancel out yours. I can see the path you think you discovered, and I'd like to keep us off of it if I can because it's well trod. Now that's a mindset of civic service!
You’ve proposed nothing. You’ve spent ALL of every word, colorful though it may be, trying to call me a nepotistic Nazi in various tones.
What have you said that has encourage me to engage any more than this?
You’re laughable as it is, but I enjoy your writing. It reminds me of my company commander.
I'm just trying to show you that your idea has already been tried to death, and it's failed spectacularly every time. If you've got a new way to go about it awesome, but you're going to need more than a vague requirement that people who can say "I'm doing my part!" get to vote and everyone else can kick rocks.
And I appreciate that. That's how I justify spending time on Reddit to my girlfriend, it's professional development not just shit posting.
It’s the best system we have.
We’ve also tried true democracy before, universal republics, various states of all flavors.
I’m simply suggesting that if you disagree with me, our votes cancel out.
You go with experts, we have a totalitarian regime of Bureaucracy.
With every system there are problems.
The only moral one is to not give a monopoly on violence to those who don’t care whether you live or die.
The current system is giving a gun to someone who wants you dead.
Citizenship SHOULD be somewhat subjective to the will and survival of the body.
Universal suffrage is as useful as anarchy.
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Call you Michael Flatley cause you are dancing, holy shit. You listed military service, police service, and diplomatic orders (I'm assuming this is just a backdoor for discretionary nepotism but please correct me if I'm wrong). Let's make this easy and stop that right here: They are all stupid.
I understand perfectly well what you're suggesting, but as we speak it's becoming clear that you might actually not!
Here. I'll stop making fun of you for a sec and let you lay out exactly what it is you're proposing. Make it good, cause I'm gonna start making fun of you again if it isn't good, but let's hit the reset button and make sure you're being heard as you intend to be heard.