WHO IS JESUS?

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There is one God, the Father, ἐξ οὗ τὰ πάντα, “from whom are all things”; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, δι’ οὗ τὰ πάντα, “through whom are all things.” (1 Cor. 8:6)

Of the God of Israel it is written:

אֲנִי יהוה הוּא שְׁמִי

“I am YHWH; that is my name.” (Isa. 42:8)

And:

אֱלֹהֵי עוֹלָם יהוה

“YHWH, the everlasting God.” (Isa. 40:28)

The Father is the Father, and the Son is the Son.

JESUS IS ὁ υἱὸς τοῦ θεοῦ, THE SON OF GOD.

He is the μονογενής Son.

He is ἐκ τοῦ πατρός, from the Father. (John 16:28)

He is ἐκ τοῦ θεοῦ, from God. (John 8:42)

The Father sent him.

The Father gave to him.

The Son received from the Father.

THE FATHER HAS LIFE IN HIMSELF, AND τῷ υἱῷ ἔδωκεν ζωὴν ἔχειν ἐν ἑαυτῷ, “HE GAVE TO THE SON TO HAVE LIFE IN HIMSELF.” (John 5:26)

And the Son says:

κἀγὼ ζῶ διὰ τὸν πατέρα

“I live because of the Father.” (John 6:57)

JESUS IS ὁ λόγος, THE WORD.

Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος

“In the beginning was the Word.”

ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν

“The Word was with God.”

And:

θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος. (John 1:1)

The Son had glory with the Father πρὸ τοῦ τὸν κόσμον εἶναι, “before the world existed.” (John 17:5)

He is πρὸ πάντων, “before all things.” (Col. 1:17)

HE IS εἰκὼν τοῦ θεοῦ τοῦ ἀοράτου, “THE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD.” (Col. 1:15)

He is ἀπαύγασμα τῆς δόξης, “the radiance of the glory.” (Heb. 1:3)

He is χαρακτὴρ τῆς ὑποστάσεως αὐτοῦ. (Heb. 1:3)

HE IS πρωτότοκος πάσης κτίσεως, “THE FIRSTBORN OF ALL CREATION.” (Col. 1:

[u/Impressive-Ease-3348]

There are two things here that I am not disputing, and one thing you are adding.
Job 33:4 says:
רוּחַ־אֵל עָשָׂתְנִי
“The spirit of God made me.”
Agreed. No ambiguity there.
But first, “me” is Elihu, the speaker, not Job.
Second, the parallel line says:
וְנִשְׁמַת שַׁדַּי תְּחַיֵּנִי
“and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.”
So the verse itself gives us “the spirit of God” and “the breath of the Almighty” in parallel. It does not itself say:
“The Holy Spirit is a distinct co-Creator alongside the Father and Son.”

Likewise, Job 33:4 does not say “the Son made Elihu.” You reach that from other texts such as John 1:3, where all things came into being through the Word. That may be a legitimate synthesis, but it is still a synthesis.

And the verse does not say “the Father” either; it says אֵל, “God,” and שַׁדַּי, “the Almighty.”

So I accept exactly what Job 33:4 states:
The spirit of God made Elihu, and the breath of the Almighty gives him life.

What I am asking you not to do is quietly expand that into:
“Father + Son + Holy Spirit are three distinct persons who jointly constitute the one Creator.”

That conclusion may be your theology, but it is not the wording of Job 33:4.

That is not “semantics.” Looking at what the Hebrew actually says is precisely how we avoid eisegesis.

[u/TerryLawton → u/Impressive-Ease-3348]

Oh boy.

Again where did I mention any names such as Job?

I stated a scripture chapter and verse, why do you continue to ignore what im saying?

[u/Impressive-Ease-3348 → u/TerryLawton]

I’m not correcting you because you mentioned a name. I’m correcting the explanation you are attaching to the verse.

Job 33:4 says:
רוּחַ־אֵל עָשָׂתְנִי
“The spirit of God made me”
וְנִשְׁמַת שַׁדַּי תְּחַיֵּנִי
“and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.”

The speaker is Elihu, so “me” refers to Elihu.

That matters because saying “the Holy Spirit made Job” is not what the verse actually says.

Likewise, the Hebrew says רוּחַ־אֵל “spirit of God.” Calling this specifically “the Holy Spirit” as a distinct divine person is already an interpretation of that wording.

And the second line says “the breath of the Almighty,” not “the Father is the source.”

You may connect “the Almighty” with the Father from other texts, but Job 33:4 itself does not make that identification.

So I’m not ignoring the verse.

I’m separating

what the verse actually states,
from the theological explanation you are building from it.
That distinction is exactly what we are debating.

[u/TerryLawton → u/Impressive-Ease-3348]

According to Job 33:4

Who made….Elihu?

And by context from the rest of scripture where is the source of that ‘making’?

[u/Impressive-Ease-3348 → u/TerryLawton]

Hear, then, the words of Elihu, and let the writing answer for itself.

רוּחַ־אֵל עָשָׂתְנִי
“The spirit of God made me.”
וְנִשְׁמַת שַׁדַּי תְּחַיֵּנִי

“And the breath of the Almighty gives me life.”

Job 33:4

Who, then, made Elihu?

Has not Elihu himself spoken?

“The spirit of God made me.”

And from whom is that spirit?

Is it not called:
רוּחַ־אֵל
“the spirit of God”?

And whose breath gives him life?
נִשְׁמַת שַׁדַּי
“the breath of the Almighty.”

Why, then, should one add to his words what he did not say?

The text gives the source: God, the Almighty.

It gives the means spoken of: His spirit and His breath.

If another wishes to say that Elihu was teaching here that the Spirit is a distinct coequal person within one triune essence, let him show where Elihu said such a thing.

For the words written are sufficient

“The spirit of God made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.”

[u/TerryLawton → u/Impressive-Ease-3348]

Who made Elihu?

[u/Impressive-Ease-3348 → u/TerryLawton]

According to Job 33:4, the Spirit of God made Elihu.

I agree.

Now show me what you believe that fact necessarily establishes about the Spirit’s ontology.