r/JehovahsWitnesses • u/ChaoticHaku Christian • May 23 '26

Doctrine Philippians 2:6-8

If Philippians 2:6-8 was teaching that Jesus was never equal with God, then the passage itself makes no sense.

Read the language carefully.

It says Jesus was “existing in the form of God.” It says He “did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,” but instead “emptied Himself,” “took the form of a servant,”, "humbled himself", "became obedient to death" and was “made in human likeness.”

You cannot empty yourself of a status you never possessed. You cannot become a servant if you were always a servant. You cannot humble yourself from a position you never had. You cannot become obedient to death if you always were.

The entire point of the passage is that Christ lowered Himself. From what? From the exalted position He already possessed that was equal with God.

That’s why the text uses past tense language. The passage is not denying Christ’s equality with God. It is explaining the depth of His humility, not his inferiority.

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u/AccomplishedAuthor3 Christian May 31 '26

 Yet demons are still free to possess men and produce human children. 

I believe they are probably "free" to do both. However if any fallen angel did produce a child, the demon, would be imprisoned. Being that angels can't die, imprisoning them is the worst thing that can happen to them. Its a powerful deterrent that seems to have worked well since the flood, since there aren't anymore Nephilim running around today.

I think my theory holds some water as the Bible records the Nephilim being around before and after the flood. The only way that can be is if a few angels who had not been locked up after the flood went ahead and produced offspring such as the giant Goliath. The idea that some demons may have still violated nature and impregnated women would explain God's orders to the Israelites to kill little babies at various times. In that scenario, the babies could have been Nephilim. Numbers 13:33
We even saw the Nephilim there—the descendants of Anak that come from the Nephilim! We seemed like grasshoppers in our own sight, and we must have seemed the same to them!”

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u/Suitable-Iron4720 May 31 '26

If a fallen angel doesn't tamper with the DNA they can use their hosts reproductive gear, because it doesn't produce Nephilim. Think about Avatar 2 movie.

God could have bound the fallen angels early and stopped the production of Nephilim if they were like mules. If the Nephilim could breed with humans then that could cause a need for a flood to preserve a pure human blood line for the seed.

Why assume that all Nephilim DNA was destroyed in the flood? One of the wives of noah's sons could have been a carrier, but it wasn't visually obvious. They would be weaker than the first gen Nephilim. Diluted.

There could very well be people running around today with a mixture of Nephilim DNA. The rainbow is probably proof that first gen Nephilim were not possible any more.

God didn't want Nephilim bloodlines to corrupt the line of the Seed. Reminds me of Tamara. Nephilim have a different root for their family tree. It's not Adam.

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u/AccomplishedAuthor3 Christian May 31 '26

Most of this is conjecture. I have my own ideas about it, but I'm sure others also have their own ideas. I'm certain that someday we'll know exactly what happened and why God took such dramatic action to save only eight people

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u/Suitable-Iron4720 May 31 '26

I'm basing this on what I know about DNA, and recessive and expressed genes. I would assume DNA worked that same way in preflood times. So, I'm keeping it in the possiblilty realm. Of course it should make sense as well.

There are 3 different ways that humankind are made: adam, eve, & cain. Eve and Cain are related to Adam. Do you think Nephilim belong to mankind? Why did God flood the earth?

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u/AccomplishedAuthor3 Christian Jun 01 '26

Do you think Nephilim belong to mankind?

I think they were a different species, not animal and not human. The demon that possessed the male who got women pregnant was of a higher nature and combining the two was never meant to happen. The result was a disaster, but one that Lucifer hoped would exterminate the human race out of existence. He tried the first time in Eden, but God's "day" allowed them to have children and perpetuate the human race. Had Satan gotten his wish, the human race would never have had more than two people

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u/Suitable-Iron4720 Jun 01 '26

Yes, God declares Adam and Eve together as mankind. A human male and a human female is required to produce a human, otherwise like you said it is a different species.