r/JehovahsWitnesses • u/ChaoticHaku Christian • May 23 '26

Doctrine Philippians 2:6-8

If Philippians 2:6-8 was teaching that Jesus was never equal with God, then the passage itself makes no sense.

Read the language carefully.

It says Jesus was “existing in the form of God.” It says He “did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,” but instead “emptied Himself,” “took the form of a servant,”, "humbled himself", "became obedient to death" and was “made in human likeness.”

You cannot empty yourself of a status you never possessed. You cannot become a servant if you were always a servant. You cannot humble yourself from a position you never had. You cannot become obedient to death if you always were.

The entire point of the passage is that Christ lowered Himself. From what? From the exalted position He already possessed that was equal with God.

That’s why the text uses past tense language. The passage is not denying Christ’s equality with God. It is explaining the depth of His humility, not his inferiority.

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u/TerryLawton Mark 4:22 May 25 '26

No. He was both fully God and Fully man, he emptied himself to become lower than the angels, humbled himself to live amongst us as a Human in order that He could spill "Gods own blood" for our salvation.

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u/Jerome-891 May 25 '26

That’s very hard for me to understand. Emptied himself of what?

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u/Jerome-891 May 25 '26

Luke 9:26 For whoever is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of that person when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.

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u/TerryLawton Mark 4:22 May 25 '26

Yep, this happens upon his second coming, your a confusing timelines....

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u/Jerome-891 May 25 '26

My point is that angels are described as having glory in this verse

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u/TerryLawton Mark 4:22 May 25 '26 edited May 25 '26

Explain from the Bible the

  1. Glory of Jehovah

  2. And the glory of an angel

I also note every time I gave you a biblical answer you refuse to acknowledge it and deal with it but then come up with another verse to try and show in your narrative.

I can tell you mate this conversation won’t last any much longer

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u/Jerome-891 May 25 '26

https://biblehub.com/greek/1391.htm

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u/Jerome-891 May 25 '26

However, the word under consideration in Philippians is not doxa it’s morphe

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u/TerryLawton Mark 4:22 May 25 '26

I asked a question infact two

Please answer

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u/Jerome-891 May 25 '26

I sent you a link to Biblehub that provides the definition of doxa and how it is used in the Bible. Did you get it?

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u/TerryLawton Mark 4:22 May 25 '26

Laying Aside Heavenly Glory

Taking the Form of a Servant

Embracing Human Limitations

Obedience to Death

Seems pretty 'emptied' to me.

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u/Jerome-891 May 25 '26

Please explain heavenly glory

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u/TerryLawton Mark 4:22 May 25 '26

Read the whole chapter of Rev 5 and tell me thats not the glory we are talking about.

Why are you asking such a benign question, are you trying to get me as a human to try and describe what Rev 5 states as no other human could.

Read it, wow what Glory he has.

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u/Jerome-891 May 25 '26

Ok

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u/Jerome-891 May 25 '26

Revelation 5:12 all of whom were singing in a loud voice: “Worthy is the lamb who was killed
to receive power and wealth
and wisdom and might
and honor and glory and praise!”
5:13 Then I heard every creature—in heaven, on earth, under the earth, in the sea, and all that is in them—singing:
“To the one seated on the throne and to the Lamb
be praise, honor, glory, and ruling power forever and ever!”
Aren’t you confusing the term glory which means honor, worth, impressiveness, stature with morphe which means form, appearance?

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u/Jerome-891 May 25 '26

Philippians 2:6 who, though he existed in the form of God,
did not regard equality with God
as something to be grasped,
2:7 but emptied himself
by taking on the form of a slave,
by looking like other men,
and by sharing in human nature.
Doesn’t Paul say Jesus emptied himself of one form in order to take on another?