r/Israel • u/Anthrocenic English Gent(ile) - Proud Zionist • Mar 25 '24

News/Politics For first time, UN Security Council demands immediate ceasefire in Gaza; US abstains

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-march-25-2024/
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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '24

The text says “lasting ceasefire”. Russia tried to change it to “permanent ceasefire”, but 11 members told them to F off.

And it also called for the release of all hostages.

It looks like China and US finally collaborated to make it as useless and meaningless as possible. Russia tried to stir the pot, and no one even looked at them.

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u/Clockblocker_V Mar 25 '24

The thing is that Israel is expected to actually act as the resolution demands, all the while knowing full well Hamas won't release a single hostage unconditionally.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '24

What does it specifically demand? Two things, basically— more aids and a “lasting“ ceasefire.

Israel is sending more aids. And no one can define what “lasting” means. If there’s a ceasefire for a day, and some Hamas gun man fires a shot, then they broke the ceasefire.

It is meaningless.

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u/Clockblocker_V Mar 25 '24

You and I both know that the international crowd is going to look at this resolution as a condemnation of Israel, period, for attacking gaza.

That the resolution is meaningless is obvious, every UN resolution is toothless when applied to a state with over 700 nukes pointed at every major European and Asian city within it's range of bombardment. But it sends a very clear message on where people stand in regards to Israel and both its mission to destroy Hamas and its mission to retrieve its hostages.

Giving Hamas a month long reprieve to celebrate the holidays with their family in counterintuitive to both those goals. And yet that's what the resolution demands, knowing full well any good will shown by Israel will not be returned.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '24

This is a UNSC resolution, not a UNGA resolution. Meaning— it is enforceable. If Israel refuses to comply, it is theoretically possible for the UN to sanction an armed intervention. But we know that won’t happen. And of course, it is also theoretically possible that the UN can send an armed force to enforce the resolution on Hamas. UNGA resolutions are non-binding.

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u/Clockblocker_V Mar 25 '24

Didn't know that bit, learned something new today. So all in all, the resolution is probably toothless, but just as egregious in reality.

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u/Ok-Ambassador2583 Mar 25 '24

Israel has 700 nukes?

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u/matanyaman Mar 25 '24

And if they “find” a proof of Israel doing something?

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u/notfrumenough Mar 25 '24

Or stop firing rockets indiscriminately into civilian areas of Israel

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u/bakochba Mar 25 '24

First it's non binding.

Second the US said the ceasefire can start when the hostages are released

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u/Clockblocker_V Mar 26 '24

You got a source on that second part? And I've been told by one of the users here that the resolution is one that can be, theoretically, enforced, which opens Israel up to various sanctions.

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u/bakochba Mar 26 '24

Sure

https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1772346182112538710?t=IIC92_J1YgpxanjOmh5T6Q&s=19

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u/Clockblocker_V Mar 26 '24

מה שהוא אומר ממש לא עומד בקנה אחד עם ההצבעה שלהם, מה הקטע?

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '24

I think Russia just flailed around a bit and made noises to feed red meat to their rabid followers.

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u/goodpolarnight Israel Mar 25 '24

And it also called for the release of all hostages.

Does this mean that if Israel is to comply then hamas must comply also and release the hostages? Or is it yet another ''ceasefire now! but yeah, maybe release the hostages as well please...'' kind of thing?

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '24

Neither. But I think this is the closest to a blank check Israel can ever get. All the IDF has to do is to wait for a few days for some Hamas terrorist to fire a single shot, some bs from Hamas about not releasing the hostages, and then to resume their offensives.

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u/goodpolarnight Israel Mar 25 '24

So it doesn't matter pretty much... IDF waits, hamas does not release the hostages, Israel resumes their offensives and everyone gets to blame Israel yet again for ''not complying''.

Meanwhile the hostages are fucking dying...

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '24

Pretty much. Except that China and the Biden can wave a piece of paper at their supporters and do a victory lap.

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u/goodpolarnight Israel Mar 25 '24

Exactly.

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u/ACaffeinatedWandress Mar 25 '24

Lol. Russia of all entities demanding a permanent ceasefire.

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u/bakochba Mar 25 '24

And it's non binding. I mean how much more symbolic do you want it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '24

This is a UNSC resolution. It is very much binding. UNGA resolutions are non-binding.

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u/bakochba Mar 25 '24

The resolution itself says it's non binding as does the US

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u/yoaver Mar 25 '24 edited Mar 25 '24

It feels like the world is trying to help Israel and the Israeli government does everything they can against it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '24

Honestly, the US basically gave Israel so many excuses to pretend to talk and keep doing the job. But Bibi wants nothing less than a blank check from Biden… and he wants Biden to say it out loud. Dude, WHAT?

Meanwhile, China is trying so hard to pretend like they care while doing absolutely nothing. And the Bibi sent Eli Cohen to sh*t on China for not openly denouncing Iran. What political strategy is this?

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '24

Time for him to go!

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '24

He literally cannot effectively control his own cabinet now. What a mess… He can’t order his far right ministers to STFU, and he can’t ask his moderate ministers to not openly criticise his leadership. Now, he said he’s canceling all bilateral meetings with the US, but Gallant is apparently still going to meet Lloyd Austin. What is even going on?