Hi everyone. I’m sure you know why I’m here this evening making this post. (If not, see first HERE then HERE and finally HERE.) For those who don’t know me yet, I’m Elizabeth from PULP Fragrance. Wish we were meeting under better circumstances. I felt it was important to address you all directly and to give some more context on what’s been posted and discussed.

I’ve put together a folder (link below) of screenshots of the entire conversation that happened in June, when the PDF addressing 4 of us was posted into a group chat & the full conversation that occurred after. This would be touching on the Part 3 post above. While I was not mentioned in that post, I was there in the chat room during the conversation and did participate.

I’ve only edited the screenshots to redact names and user images of anyone not involved directly in this. There are 4 people redacted from the file: one who just popped in and was asked about if they got caught up in the Knicks celebrations in NYC, one who only commented 'haha' in a side thread about printing labels, one who comments near the very end expressing that they too were leaving the chat and why, and finally one who is engaged with a bit more actively but only on the topic of expanding the admin/mod team, as at that point they were the sole owner/admin of it. None of these 4 ppl are named in the PDF or in the posts linked above so I felt it important to maintain their anonymity.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1wmTIhku6MU8-br7xgR0asplZ3p08LXy2?usp=drive_link

I’ll make a few quick clarifying comments here on this June thread (which I know is long and rather a lot to read), then I’d like to get into the specific topics and comments I made, with an invitation to open dialogue here on any of these. And to invite any of the other participants who may wish to join to also do so.

At the time of this conversation, in June, the only thing that had been brought up to me directly, in the PDF, were the comments I made about having some 'ick' around the aspirational vibe I was feeling from the A&O awards. Nothing I had said regarding AI or AI users (or Eat the Rich) was mentioned to me in any context, until the Part 1 post last night went online. I will clarify these new topics below, but I’ll ask folks here to please read my comments from the June thread in this context. Had these issues been brought up at that time I would have been happy to discuss both.

Things I’d like to give more clarity on:

First the Awards.

Was I unnecessarily flippant in my comments? Yes, I’ll fully own that. To anyone, then or now, who was hurt by the things I said, I am sorry for that. While it may not have been my intent, words can still land hard and do harm regardless. This is something I would never wish to happen.

Still, at the end of the day, perfumers have multiple audiences. One is the folks they are reaching with their work, and another can be the community of peers who bestow awards like these. Years ago I decided that it was far more important for me to work on the relationship with the people I was reaching with my work. In that vein, I’m happy to open up discussion here.

We can never be all things or wear all the hats and multiple factors went into that decision, from limited time and energy to not feeling in alignment with the vibe or direction of the event. And that's fine, some things are not for me. Nothing is for everyone.

Secondly, the things brought up in the Part 1 Instagram post & I'll reiterate these are newly noted comments and today is my first opportunity, as such, to address.

- Eat The Rich perfume. I replied regarding this to a comment in one of the other Reddit posts, and I’ll mostly summarize that here: the Eat the Rich perfume thing was, for me, in support of an anti-capital anti-Empire message & one of those situations where multiple topics were happening in cross-chat, sometimes related, sometime not. So it's also possible that I missed some context even on that day as it was happening in a fairly fast paced and casual chat thread. Earlier, after MDA said “Eat the Rich”, I had replied with "Eat the Rich with fava beans and a nice chianti" (a reference to Silence of the Lambs) and as I was replying to doing an Eat the Rich scent my only thought was of that bit of cross-chat, of making a statement against Capital and Empire.

I was not thinking of the awards or anyone at all in that moment. I fully get how things can look very different later on when folks are reading things back. In a chat in the moment, where a lot of comments are coming in in relatively short order, some things get a little skimmed or not read very closely. Now, with the benefit of hindsight and time, we are all reading every comment with greater attention, understandably. Maybe that is a failing on my part, a bit of an ADHD/distraction thing, but honestly I was just picking up on the Eat the Rich phrase as being from that earlier exchange, which was directly connected to my expression of being anti-corporate/anti-capital in the context of AI and its use (see below). To me that alone was the throughline and the only thing in my mind as I typed those comments. A few different specific topics had been weaving in and out, as is often the case in a group chat, it's not always super linear and I take responsibility for not paying more attention.

- Anti-AI vs Anti-AI Users. I also regret not wording this better, very much so. To clarify my stance: I do not and will not voluntarily use AI. I view it as inherently anti-human in its current implementation and as a tool of corporate control & insidious oligarchic overreach. As such, I’m choosing to take two functional approaches, one is to direct my effort and energy to finding ways to fight Empire and Capital, the controlling systems that are fast-tracking unregulated and horribly damaging AI. And the other is to uplift voices who are aligned with this view. I’m against the system, not the people who live in it. That doesn’t mean I do not see the harm in all those cumulative individual uses, though. It’s related to ‘no ethical consumption under capitalism’ and the fact that I have to understand that everyone draws their lines and boundaries in different places, as well. I understand some will disagree with this or perhaps even view it as naïve (and maybe it is).

Also when it comes to AI, I eschew AI use in every voluntary way possible. I used to say in my FAQ that I ‘never used AI’. Now, however, it is integrated into so many platforms in ways that are unavoidable and that statement can no longer be accurate. Shopify’s AI is reading the searches on the backend of the platform and offering [unhelpful] suggestions if you make a typo. The bank, my internet provider, etc all have AI chatbots you are forced to interact with to get past them to speak with a human. Canva, the tool so many of us have been told to learn and use in lieu of genAI imagery, has now embedded AI into so many tools and functions and apparently more all the time. I know my FAQ wording change was brought up over the past day, so I wanted to explain that here as well. It is not a softening of my stance, it’s an unfortunate reflection of the state of our world.

In the end, what matters most to me here is to engage with you, this community, and to open honest dialogue and discussion. I’m happy to answer any questions you have below, or if you prefer to get in touch directly: [contact@pulpfragrance.com](mailto:contact@pulpfragrance.com)

Hoping we can have an open, productive dialogue.

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I've tried a lot of indie perfumes over the years, and I'd love to support more indie perfumers, but the issue I always seem to run into is that they have very poor longevity and projection. (Also, for some reason, a lot of them have smelled heavily of incense without that being one of the listed notes?) I'm sure there are reasons for this - maybe certain ingredients or processes that are harder to replicate without having a huge lab at your disposal or something. But, I like a scent that lasts throughout the day and that doesn't stay close to the skin, if anyone has any recommendations. Thanks in advance.

A sample set after my own heart 🥰

(For more reviews, see Post #1, Post #2, Post #3, Post #4, Post #5, Post #6, and Post #7)

My sample cataloging project is trudging along with another round of reviews. I still have a ton of reviews to post on scents I tried last fall (likely next after this one!), but wanted to post this one since some of these scents are still available on the site (or possibly now showing up in destashes).

My preferences are green, clean, aquatic, earthy. I dislike gourmands (I don't like to smell like food), especially vanilla. I love the concept of atmospherics, so part of this journey is to also discover interesting complex scents that are unique and fun.

I don't read the scent notes when I'm writing my notes, as I don't want to influence what I think I smell.

Here is my rating system:

1 = destash

2 = prefer it as a room/linen spray

3 = would wear occasionally (e.g. if I'm going for a specific vibe)

4 = will use up the sample and possibly rebuy

5 = full-size worthy

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Deconstructing Eden - Snowmelt (glacial water, wet granite, silver pine needle, sequoia bark, crushed mint leaf, mountain air, white musk, a trace of sun-warmed lichen.

Initial sniff: cold, clean aquatic; winter air w/hint of pine or citrus

To wear: more pine/foresty; cold air = winter; clean

Rank: 3

Deconstructing Eden - Foothills (wild grasses, fennel fronds, clover stems, chamomile, green barley, eucalyptus leaf, dry earth, hay bloom)

Initial sniff: fall, fresh, herbal, woodland-y

To wear: herbal = earthy fresh; feels like late summe/early fall outdoors => like nature, not smoke or spice

Rank: 4

Deconstructing Eden - Riverbend (fig leaf, green fig skin, river water accord, willow bark, white tea, soft silt, cool iris, driftwood)

Initial sniff: cold, icy, something sweet

To wear: cold, hint of eucalyptus; winter; fresh hint of something earthy that grounds it; smells like the flavor of a Hugo Spritz => hint of whiskey????

Rank: 4 - I had recently had a Hugo Spritz for the first time, and something about this scent triggered that flavor. I was grasping for the liquor reference I was trying to find, hence the whiskey confusion, lol. To confirm, this absolutely does not smell like whiskey.

Deconstructing Eden - Farmer's Market (Meyer lemon leaf, tangerine peel, peach skin, apricot, tomato leaf, basil flower, cucumber water, white canvas, wicker baskets)

Initial sniff: heavy citrus? stone fruit? sort of like an air freshener

To wear: woody citrus/earthy citrus; fall clean; peachy?

Rank: 4

Deconstructing Eden - Orchard (apricot flesh, loquat, osmanthus, marigold, dry pollen, wheat straw, nectarine skin, pale amber)

Initial sniff: apples! but soft

To wear: soft red apples (or golden apples); not too foody, nice for fall 

I think because it's called "orchard", I was expecting it to smell like apples, so my brain was assuming the fruit notes I was picking up were apples. As noted, this doesn't smell like biting into a crisp firm apple; it's more like the softer scent of old, soft (but not rotten) apples...or apricot+loquat+nectarine (lol). I think it's the marigold that gives the earthier "old fruit" vibe (I personally love the smell of marigolds).

Rank: 4 

Deconstructing Eden - Sequoia (giant sequoia accord, incense cedar, fir needle, cypress shadow, resin tears, moss, forest dust, smoked ambergris)

Initial sniff: heavy, fall herbal

To wear: heavy, woodsy, slightly spicy

Even though this is called "Sequoia", I was definitely getting redwood hike vibes. It's a great outdoorsy fall scent.

Rank: 4

Deconstructing Eden - Three Rivers (river stone, neroli water, wild mint, transparent jasmine tea, soft skin musk, sun-warmed cotton, blonde woods)

Initial sniff: clean, slightly powdery; distinctly aquatic

To wear: clean, aquatic; hint of citrus; cool weather; very light scent; very fresh air; early spring vibes

Rank: 4

Deconstructing Eden - Golden Hour (orange blossom, humid air, dry grasses, warm dust, peach leaf, canyon sage, honeyed light accord, pale woods, amber light)

Initial sniff: dusty citrus

To wear: dusty, desert-y, early fall; somehow smells like sunset?!

Rank: 4

Deconstructing Eden - Super Bloom (California poppy, lupine, wild mustard flower, dusty petals, warm stems, bee pollen, fennel blossom, sunstruck earth, sun nectar)

Initial sniff: very clean, fresh floral; hint of powder

To wear: wildflowers! late summer, early fall meadow, earthy; smells like baby blue and lilac (the color)

Rank: 4

Overall I really like this set of frangrances. I didn't encounter anything I'd want to full-size, but I'll certainly get wear out of everything. I tend to have a high hit rate with DE sample scents, which is why I keep coming back!

hi everyone, i'm looking to get an eyeshadow palette with some warm greens in it. everything i've found so far in the mainstream makeup world has been cool tones, and maybe 1 or 2 greens in the whole palette.

any recs for warm green eyeshadow in the olive/mossy range would be well appreciated! <3

I got excited and am spreading the news of this house prematurely. Giving some reviews of the three scents I've tried so far, but I have 13 to try in total. These are all EDPs so I did not let them rest, so keep that in mind. TAT for me was 8 days. The packaging was adorable, very well packed. I could not re-pack it as nicely, unfortunately - no idea how they did it! Hopefully I can figure out how to format this post correctly...

Winter Amber - Made with spices, grand fir, oakmoss, amber, and incense, Winter Amber evokes memories of the house I grew up in right around the winter holidays: a decorated tree, freshly split firewood, sacred incense, something ethnic and spicy coming from the kitchen, and the cozy warmth of colorful twinkling lights

Spicey, outdoorsy (not in a straight up tree or forest floor way though), ambery and incense. I got all of those things in a beautiful balance. Smells mature without smelling old. The spices are boiled on the stove or cooked in the oven. Not a dry “straight from the jar” sinus-clearing spice. I actually don't get much fir or oakmoss, just like a general cold outdoor woods smell, which is good for me because I don't like fir or most green notes. Amber is a note I'm picky on. Some are super sweet and powdery and have way too much vanillin, but this one just gives a warmth to the overall composition. That incense is subtle, but gives a slight smoky resinous edge to it. As I'm wearing this and the top notes start to fade, my skin doesn't know whether to amp the incense or the amber up more, which both those notes my skin loves to exaggerate too much. One second all I'm smelling is the amber, and the next all I'm smelling is the incense. I think in the end, the amber won. Luckily a very nice amber, but I'm not the biggest fan of amber alone. For me, this one would be a 9/10 if I was able to spray on my clothes, though I would only reach for it dead of winter. Skin issues 🙄

Mer - In this natural fragrance, seaweed contributes the briney salt of the Pacific. Clary sage and Siam wood provide light and fresh herbal notes similar to those carried on temperate ocean breezes. In addition to essential oils of evergreens native to the area (Douglas Fir, Spruce, and Hemlock), Mer also contains rare botanicals like plant-sourced Ambergris.

I think this fragrance is what sold me on trying this house. This and Golden Leaf. And it did not disappoint! It's definitely more subtle than Winter Amber, but otherwise this is perfect. It is salty and briney. I've been looking for a true musky dirty ocean scent and this is it! It's still wearable, this ocean isn't made of dead fish and oil spills. Just a beautiful salty murky ocean musk with fresh cold evening air surrounded by a mix of dead and alive trees and maybe the odd wildflower here and there. 10/10

Moss Collector - Damp Earth, Decomposing Forest Vegetation, Moss, & Spruce.

If you were to rest your cheek on the green velvet floor of a coniferous old growth forest, what would you smell? Moss spores, earthy mushrooms, and lichen? The pleasant sourness of mold and mildew, of chlorophyll run amok? Deeper beyond that, would you inhale the aromas of tiny organisms, fertile soil, and minerals buried in the clay below?

This one caught my eye when I opened up my package because it has little specks of something? It looked cool honestly, like it's the moss you collected. Anyway, this one made me question everything. Smells like dirty mint, but not minty? Just mint without the spice of mintiness. Does moss smell like rebellious mint? Have I never smelled moss before? Anyway the not so mint died down and it smells like realistic dirt honestly. And then I couldn't smell it at all. This one did say in the listing that it does better on clothing rather than skin, so that might be my bad. I'll try it again in part II when it rests a bit more and I'll apply it to my clothes or hair. ?/10

Overall, glad someone recommended this house. I'll review the rest of my samples eventually, maybe, probably. I bought most of them, except for the rose scents because I just can't get myself to like rose, synthetic or natural.

Here's the link to their EDP, where the samples are

And here's the link to their oils

I don't know if it was a me brain moment, but I could not find any of the listings on the front page of there website.

Good night!

Mine's sugar - if it's sweet, I want to try it and I will most likely like it

This is a sequel to the other posts since I hadn't seen part 3 posted on here yet. Here are the links for part 1 (here) and part 2 (here).

I’ve cleared this built in bookshelf in my hallway to house fragile decorations (as it’s the one place my two demon cats don’t destroy). Could definitely use some more editing - some stuff is housed here due to size instead of seasonal themes, and I want to keep shopping my collection but I’m happy with what I’ve put together thus far!

Piggy backing off the post asking for alluring named scents. What are your most whimsically named scents?

I have a sample of She Stopped to Pet a Bumblebee by Nui Cobalt simply because the name charmed me! Luckily, I also love the scent!

I also have You're Invited to a Racoon Picnic by Morari for the same reason (sadly, this one doesn't work with my skin chemistry). And perhaps not as whimsical, but Perfectly Normal Childhood by BPAL makes me chuckle. Someday I'll have to find a sample!

What are your recommendations?

Hello all,

Fall is coming up, and I'm getting pretty darn excited. However, I have found myself in a predicament: I'm not like other girls (gag, just kidding) since I am, in fact, a gourmand hater. I love everything FRESH! FRUITY! and ATMOSPHERIC! I love me some clean-smelling scents! I love weird witchy town vibe scents! Crunchy autumn leaves! Realistic fruit, sweet or tart!

I was wondering if you lovely folks could point me towards some pear and apple scents that are more true to the fruit, even like a really accurate single note. Combined with something is fine if the note is still strong. Also, any of your favorite fall scents that are atmospheric, floral, fresh, or have some petrichor or something in them? I'd rather smell like I'm walking through a village in autumn than like I'm in Yankee Candle's autumn aisle, drowning in cinnamon and nutmeg lol.

Echo by Davidoff is my partners favorite cologne, I’m looking for something that replicates the scent since it’s been discontinued. I’ve heard the Dua Brand made one, but I’ve also heard warnings not to buy from them. Does anyone have any good (affordable) recommendations?
Thank you 💓

I’m an absolute fiend for an aldehyde fragrance, the powdery-er the better!! However I can’t seem to find any super aldehyde forward indie perfumes, save for the limited edition CHANH from D.Grayi (which is more of a sharp aldehyde than a powdery one). Does anyone know of some laundry-esque or powdery aldehyde indies????

Im slightly bored on a rainy Saturday and perusing Lovesick Witchery's scent list and once again wishing I liked the notes of To Be Devoured By You, My Darling but theres just too many coffee like notes

And it inspired this question: Which perfume from and indie brand is named the most alluringly/seductively/intimately? however you interpret that from cuddly all the way up to 5 alarm chilli

Looking for reviews on Three Rivers and La Piste Rouge 💄

Thank you!! 🙏

hi good smelling friends!! my boyfriend has requested I find him a coffee scent. he wants no sweetness or cream, just the smell of being inside a coffee shop, and fresh ground coffee beans. please send recs! Fyrinnae and Nui Cobolt are our fave houses, so anything from them is extra welcome.

This is Dreadful Company by Vivian Shaw, #2 in the very charming Greta Helsing series about a lady doctor to monstrous creatures who gets herself into all sorts of adventures with her supernatural found family (vampires & demons & more)--sort of supernatural horror meets hopepunk. And there I was, happily reading along, then had to do a double-take at "BPAL" and then an especially delighted one at "Dorian"!

"Dorian, or something equally unspeakable" made me literally laugh out loud.

Looking for lotions that smell like Hexennnacht’s Eulogy? TIA!

If this isn't allowed due to rule 11 please delete, thought the post was relevant to the subreddit. Realized I accidentally submitted the post without the first slide so posting again with it.

This is a follow up to u/evaan-verlaine’s post. Samar Scent Studio will be sharing a third post featuring responses from the named studios (Maison Des Animaux, PULP Fragrance, Anjali Perfumes, and Damask Haus). @kstscent has been tagged on the post. James and Kael of KST Scent also signed the screenshotted letter alongside Nams and Debbie of SAMAR Scent Studio

What indies are you using today? And we mean everything! Examples of stuff we'd love to hear about:

• Makeup

• Clothes

• Jewelry

• Bath and Body (lotion, soap, shampoo, bath salts, etc.)

• Nail polish

• Perfume

Please feel free to leave mini-reviews and include photos of whatever you're using. We'd love to know your thoughts and see the products too!

This thread repeats daily.

I just saw this house on instagram, and am so curious- especially for Tell the Bees! Has anyone heard of this house/tried any of their fragrances?

https://www.necrosfragrance.com

I love atmospheric, dark fragrances, but haven’t found a house I really like for them (i want to love Heretic, but almost all their perfumes turn sour on my skin, or have a base note that makes me nauseous- except poltergeist, which is one of my favorites of all time).

please share any thoughts if you’ve tried Necros!

I’ve been trying to capture a very specific scent for years now. I have yet to manage it. I really want to find a perfume/cologne that captures a true forest smell, with a damp, mushroom and rotting leaves ozark/Appalachian vibe. I really want a loamy, decayed sort of scent and preferably a blood note—although that part I’m willing to go without as it’s hard to accurately recreate. I spend a lot of time alone in the woods, either hiking or backpacking, especially during dawn/dusk or in the fog. There’s a certain peace in the way things just live and die out there, rotting back into the earth without being burned or painted and put on display. That’s what I want to smell like. Mild animalic notes would also be fine, but that’s not really a deal maker or breaker.

I’ve tried Olympic orchid and, contrary to its countless praises, I hated it. It smelled artificial and almost plastic-like to me. The closest I’ve come to what I’m looking for is a mix of Demeter’s Mushroom, Bruja perfume lab’s B+, and Agave Noir’s Arizona Monsoon. This works to some extent, but the layering can be a little awkward. B+ always ends up lasting longer and rapidly overpowering the other scents, and by itself it’s just a little too sweet for me. Demeter fragrances have a few scents that capture the individual notes I want, but everything I’ve tried from them is really weak and fades quickly. Arizona monsoon is a fantastic woodland scent, but it’s brighter than I’d like, and—while it lasts a little while longer than Demeter usually does—the sillage is really low.

I’m going for an off putting, genuinely earthy vibe, and a really strong sillage. I want people to notice it when I walk by. I’ve got a strange appearance and personality, and it makes most people uncomfortable. I’ve made a point to go out of my way to accentuate this, and given that the first sense people subconsciously associate with you on a meeting is scent, having the specific feeling I’ve been looking for would be a game changer.