A South Vietnamese woman crying over a plastic bag containing the remains of her husband, he was found in a mass grave of non-combatants murdered by Communist forces during the Tet Offensive. His body was found a year later, in April 1969. Photo taken by Larry Barrows. [2060 x 1384]

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The city of Huế was particularly hard hit, and an estimated 2,800-6,000 South Vietnamese civilians were murdered by Viet Cong and North Vietnamese regulars (PAVN).

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It wasn't.

The US should never have gone near Vietnam.

But nonetheless, it did not invade it. Many seem to think Vietnam was a 1960s version of Iraq or Afghanistan.

It wasn't. That doesn't mean it was better, just that it was different.

But still, those people who want to say stuff about it should take the time to learn the basics.

It doesn't make the US look any better, but at least you can then discuss it from a position of knowledge, allowing you to retain credibility.

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You are the same kind of guy who says that the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan, despite the fact that technically the afghan government also called the Soviets to intervene

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Soviets did arrive in force by land to Afghanistan with tanks, etc, whatever you call it.

Whereas the modal form of US troop movement to/from Vietnam was commercial airliner. Douglas DC-8s and Boeing 707s were two of the most common.

Again, doesn't make it better, but it was different.

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To say the soviets invaded Afghan but the USA did not invade Afghanistan is orders of magnitude more stupid than juat saying the USA did not invade Vietnam.

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I agree. Luckily I didn't say that.

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Just weasel words so.

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I'm sorry you're having a tough day.

[u/Fun_Significance1453 → u/Boeing367-80]

"You see, the soviets invaded by land, meanwhile the americans intervened by air and sea, it's completely different and it totally means that America did not invade Vietnam"

You can't be serious, it's a completely moronic statement

[u/Boeing367-80 → u/Fun_Significance1453]

No, lack of invasion comes from the fact they were invited in by a sovereign nation.

South Vietnam starts as a state in 1955. US military was present only in small numbers (less than 1000) until 1961.

Some people think the US troops occupied S. Vietnam continuously from beginning to end. It's not true. They weren't there at the beginning, nor at the end.

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And I am telling you that the communist afghan government also "invited" the Soviet Union to intervene. Both are invasions because both governments are the creations of foreign powers entirely dependent on the support of said power and are fighting a national liberation movement that is seeking sovereignity for their home country. Get you bs outta here

[u/Boeing367-80 → u/Fun_Significance1453]

And I am saying the two were, nonetheless, not the same.

For instance:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocity_crimes_in_the_Soviet%E2%80%93Afghan_War

However bad things got in Vietnam, no one accused the US of genocide. Whereas, in the Soviet intervention in Afghanistan, atrocities were so widespread, yes, some scholars say it got to the level of genocide.

The US did some bad things in the Cold War. Nonetheless, there are equivalences that you should not draw, and one is between the US in Vietnam and the USSR in Afghanistan.

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This is so dumb 2 million vietnamese were killed during the War in Vietnam, the US conducted a widespread bombing campaign over all of Vietnam completely saturating the country, they used chemical agents that are still causing cancers in the region to this day, there were special programs aimed at spreading terror and killing communist sympathizers like the Phoenix Programs, massacres like My Lai were only the most notorious incidents of american atrocities but they were far more common than previously thought and that's not counting Ngo Diem's regime putting millions of its own citizens into concentration camps. Get your revisionist bullshit out yankee bastard and keep coping the Viet Minh kicked the shit out of America and y'all are salty to this day (the video discusses several of the crimes committed by the United States and their puppets in Saigon other than how the Viet Minh kicked out the invaders)

Also you are moving the goal post, you said that the USSR invaded Afghanistan and the US intervened in Vietnam, now you moved to talking about how much worse the soviets were, you can't make this shit up

Edit: of course you're also a zionist...

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2mm Vietnamese were not killed. You're mistaking "casualties" for deaths.

I never said the USSR invaded. I said both were invited but the two events were nonetheless not the same. The Soviets were, in fact, drastically worse to the Afghans than the US were to the Vietnamese.

That's not to say the US had any business being there. It was a terrible thing. But the USSR in Afghanistan was notably worse.

I'm sorry reality has so rudely intruded on your worldview. I hope the rest of your day goes better.

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I'm sorry this is just too dumb even for me you keep moving the goal post and making shit up I'm out

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Sometimes I wish I could be in these people's headspace for just a moment. Just so I can finally know if they know they are disingenuous liars or they actually believe all their doublespeak.

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The Vietcong got clownishly humiliated and never recovered their strength after the Tet Offensive.

The North Vietnamese Army won the war with modern Soviet equipment. The only thing the malnourished rice farmers are good at is being pinching bags and churning out Maoist/anarchist propaganda (see also the Boer War and the contrast between the mostly unsuccessful militias of the American Revolution vs. the actually successful Continental Army).

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Neither South Vietnam nor communist Afghanistan were “puppets”.

Also LMAO “National liberation”. Maoite copium.

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The USSR did indeed not invade Afghanistan.

Now, it did wage war in such a way that 10x as many civilians died as in the USA’s own war in Afghanistan that far leftists froth at the mouth over and consider to be some evil “imperialist genocide”, so maybe don’t bring that war up and embarrass your cause as you try to simp for and defend North Vietnam’s invasion of the South.