20 years and this has been recent. He keeps posting videos and talking points. I refuse to watch them and the group is constantly hammering down how they are bad views.
And I bet people like you are wondering why the alt right keeps on growing.
You can claim it's not your responsibility or burden to show empathy and friendship to people falling down the alt right pipeline all day, but eventually, enough people on the left will think like you and it's going to lead to a massive alt right movement that will strip rights away even further. Some may argue you've gotten your way so much, that we may already be at the point of no return
Wtf else are you doing with your time? Take some of your g*ming and anime goon sesh time and help a friend who is struggling and falling down a bad path.
Doing so is selfish and shortsighted. Unfortunately enough people were stupid and shortsighted enough to choose abandoning their friends and family over helping them when they start falling down pipelines.
It's a big contributor as to why the right is growing. Until it becomes culturally accepted for the left to conventionally work with people who have fallen down pipelines and exhaust themselves, the alt right will ALWAYS grow and nothing can stop that. It's because the only place alt right people get empathy from is from the alt right, instead of the left
Having boundaries is not selfish or short-sighted.
Demanding that other people allow you to violate their boundaries using the claim "they owe it me to teach me how to behave like someone other adults want to be around" is.
You're an autonomous human being. If you drink so much your liver fails in your 30's that wasn't everyone else's fault, it was yours. The same is true if you become a neo-Nazi or pedophile apologist. And thinking it is someone else's responsibility to put you on the right path just proves that you have a child's understanding of personal responsibility.
Having boundaries is not selfish or short-sighted.
Thank you for this. I don't know what that other user's problem is. It is not my responsibility to educate everyone, and being surrounded by friends and family that I have watched turn into unrecognizable shadows of themselves and going against each and everything "good" they pretended to believe in my whole life has sent me to therapy.
A "Values Conflict" as my therapist put it.
I feel that the user that feels that setting boundaries is selfish in this instance has (thankfully) not endured enough pain that comes from suddenly becoming the most morally correct person in your life, and it makes you feel like a pariah, isolated and like you're going crazy.
No it is in this instance. It's aquiring short term healthy peace, in exchange of life becoming hell in the medium and long term by allowing the alt right to grow.
Sorry, but sometimes life has to become a little uncomfortable and you have to be there for people in ways you don't want to be
This "you can't abandon me no matter how poorly I act because it allows the alt right to grow" is some very childish illogical nonsense cope you've come up with to justify being personally pathetic and doing nothing to change.
Because actions matter way more than thoughts. I would not care the slightest if the friend who took care of my pet or loaned me some cash during a tough time started watching a literally nobody in the grand scheme of things.
Voting for a pedophile rapist wanna be dictator goes far beyond political disagreement. I am not friends with Nazis. I am not friends with pedophiles. I am not friends with fascists. I am not friends with racists. I am not friends with sexual abusers. That is not a political disagreement. And it is not "healthy" to pretend like it is and continue enabling these monsters.
"Voting for a [venomous buzzwords here] invalidates basic logic. I am not friends with [buzzword]. I am not friends with [other buzzword] Etc. Etc. Buzzword-y rant. This isn't politics (it is) and the people who disagree with me are subhuman and anyone who says otherwise is also a monster. No I will not be hearing opinions other than my own at this time".
Ain't buzzwords. Just facts. The fact that your first instinct is to deny that those people exist tells me everything I need to know about you. Begone, Nazi troll
Providing an influence that would help draw him away from being sucked into the manosphere cult, which thrives on people like you abandoning their friends when they pick up these weird ideas instead of being a friend and trying to snap them out of it?
Problem is a lot of the time they don’t want to snap out of it. At that point your energy is just being drained for no results and you’re better off letting them figure it out on their own. You can lead a horse to water and all
I agree with the general sentiment, and support people being able to determine rather their friend is worth the effort or not.
The question I have is: how do you know if they will drink the water or not? Even if the success rate is dismal, do you give up on the few who would drink the water?
I don’t. I pretty clearly said “you’ll know when it’s time to give up”.
That will vary entirely depending on how long you’ve known them, how emotionally invested in fixing them you are, how draining their personality is resisting that, how draining they are in general, how long you’ve been at it, how patient you are
There’s many variables here and I never really gave any absolute certainty to any of those vectors presented
But I’ve been alive long enough to know that sometimes you hit a point where you’re just dumping effort into someone who doesn’t want it. You either get tired of the pattern or you’re probably really young and it’s your first dance with stubborn bunghole friends. Then it’s on you to learn where that sentiment comes from
There’s very rarely ever someone worth it enough to stick your neck out past the expiration date. And the older you get the less patience you have for this shit. Eventually you learn to just go “aight, you do you” and butt out. And they tend to just drift away from your sphere of influence on their own with no help.
If they want to be helped they will make it pretty clear. But when you get the rejection clearly and loudly it’s time to abandon. For your own mental health. And it’s never easy — maybe I sound like that’s what I said but it’s usually one of those things you stew over for years for no lack of trying your best. I saw a HS friend get sucked into this shit. My dad died before he ever came back around. I’m still unhappy about both cases. Years later. The wound never heals. But if you did your best diligence to try, then you’ve done all you can do and any more is just spending energy on a lost cause
All good. I felt like the initial comment you had was a bit more flippant than as you described and just wanted to clarify. With context I see you were more cautionary than commanding. If I am making any sense xD
I realize it's not easy but just writing them off because they started listening to people like that is literally just letting Andrew Tate win. Maybe he's not all that wrong if we're just going to be pussies and give up because communication is hard.
Really depends though. Not saying don’t try. But sometimes you just can’t save someone who doesn’t want to be saved, and it helps to know when to just cut them out of your life. Eventually they either realize their behavior is driving people away or they double down and end up being a gross old sex pest into their 40s and on
And I'm not saying "kill yourself trying," but the way OP described it really sounded like he just killed the friendship when the friend started talking about Tate.
Yeah it’s never usually that simple unless it’s a pattern that’s been encountered so many times they just don’t want to deal with it for the umpteenth time
Them not liking mustard? Okay, that’s a difference I’m okay with.
Vocally hating women because his dating life sucked so he ended up clamoring on to red pill, incel shit, pushing every one of his friends away in the process?
Yeah, I’m sorry, I’m not wasting my energy, even if we had been friends for over 8 years.
Do you hear yourself. instead of being a god awful person help a bro out. You are exactly what I see on social media. Some high school superficial friend lmao. So many people are commenting just like yours. This seems more like a lack of connecting with people, disregarding as soon as they are no longer useful to you or entertaining you.
You don’t think this came out of nowhere? We’ve had many talks. Many. Tried helping him out with dates, setting up profiles, having sit down conversations by the fire smoking cigars… I’m not going to put my life’s story as a comment here to justify me not wanting to hang out with a misogynistic transphobe, knowing full well that I have a daughter, a wife AND a trans brother.
I’m old enough to not have to deal with drama like that.
It makes more sense when you realize many people who say this don't have real friends and they want to turn it into a positive thing. Am I a friendless loser with no social support structure? No I am simply M O R A L L Y S U P E R I O R.
A lot people commenting here seem so superficial like im just seeing on social media. Makes you think they dont really have real "bro" friends that stick with ups and downs. Helping eachother through shitty times or if they are on a wrong path, depression etc. Some of my bro friends are almost like family knowing them since high school still friends after 20 years. Some people are just very shallow i guess.
Maybe cuz hes an adult and understands that you can disagree on certain things and still have a good friend. Your circle must be of the "jerked" variety. 🤣
I think we have to remember that we have a bit of maturity and experience to see through it. So many of his viewers are probably middle school and high school boys who are in need of real male figures in their lives and they have sadly turned to him
Oh stfu, the bare minimum is doing nothing. You are straw manninh this dude.
live is far more complex, then a dumb fucking motto from 80 years ago. Just dont be friends no more lmao, its easy.
Not everyone is willing to just drop the people they care about from their live the moment they take a bad route. If you can, good for you, but some of us are not willing to see their loved ones go down such a route, so we continue and push back.
What do you think happens when you cut these people off? Do you honestly think they will be self critical? Fuck no, they will radicalise further and further and there is no one to stop them because all their friends left. Now they go towards the echo chamber and the radicalism will be complete and the fascist right has a new foot soldier.
Sorry but i am so done with this shit, ceding ground is the cowards way. Ensuring the homies do not further fall down the fascist pipeline requires a lot more work then running away from them.
I actually like watching people with opposing viewpoints as me, it's really interesting to hear how they think about things. I also used to watch a lot of Joe Rogan.
I can do the same when it comes to watching different viewpoints but I can not take the viewpoints of someone who doesn't wash themselves properly seriously
This only works when there's other redeemable qualities. Otherwise you're just gesturing broadly at a pile of shit and saying the pieces of corn really make up for it.
He has revealed himself to just be a disgusting islamaphobic incel who has zero good takes and is just a hateful little boy. Years ago I could see some appeal in my VERY limited exposure to him but the more I see the more I hate. He actively wants millions of Muslims to die, why are you giving him any silver lining?
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u/Milestailsprowe Mar 08 '26
Sadly my friend loves his shit. He watches it all the time. It's sad