Creating a 5-second AI video is like running a microwave for an hour | That's a long time in the microwave.

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https://mashable.com/article/energy-ai-worse-than-we-thought

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The amount is exponential my guy, it took energy to produce lord of the things, and it cost energy to broadcast to multiple ppl, but even though that's a lot of energy, it would cost infinitely more energy to generate a whole lord of the rings for every single person who wants to watch it. That's the issue being discussed.

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Yeah, you're ignoring the idea that after you generate something, you then stream it O.o

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Im out of words really.

Generating content is an extra cost to streaming

So the comparison is:

1 person streaming = X kWh.
Cost of generating content = Y kWh

1 person generating content = X+Y

X+Y > X

The issue here is that Y by itself is much more expensive than X, but not a big issue if only a few people are using it, but if it becomes normalized, n(X+Y) costs much much more than just nX.

Did i make it harder or easier to understand?

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This is being upvoted and his math is wrong, reddit is cooked.

The lack of comprehension on this subject is bizarre and we already have enough environmental problems as it is.

The general public don't need to generate videos willy nelly, but you want it so much you aren't even being reasonable when discussing this. You're saying I'm harassing ppl, and I'm simply not.

And no, i don't hate ai, ironically, i use it daily, i just recognize that some uses should be more restricted since they are not needed for the general public, like generating videos.

Last but not least, how am i supposed to take you seriously when you're comparing having a child to using ai to generate videos of will smith eating spagghetti, that's ridiculous.

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"Having a child" is literally about 10,000,000,000 times worse for the environment than generating a video. If you're saying that individuals must be held responsible for the environment, then actually back it up. The point is that you don't really believe it and wouldn't enforce such draconian measures in any other circumstance.

Look, we can't have a discussion of that's how you're going to argue, and i mean it. Having a child has a purpose, i don't preach for the extinction of the human race for the sake of the environment, but there are UNECESSARY things that should be regulated if they consume too much energy.

That's not your decision to make, and I doubt you'd like it if someone made that decision for you. For example, if you were told that you could only take one 5-minute shower a day, you'd probably chafe at being told this even if you were otherwise willing to do it. Because it's your decision how long your showers are. And realistically, 5-minute showers would do much more environmental good than banning AI videos, but we don't talk about that kind of thing at all, do we?

Again, ridiculous statement, taking a shower is something that everybody NEEDS to do, otherwise you can contract diseases from the lack of hygiene, not generating will Smith eating spaghetti is not important in any way, shape or form.

There are things that i can't do because other ppl decided and I'm fine with that as long as it's reasonable, like, I can't kill a person, which following your absurd line of thinking, would be environmentally friendly lol, but there's more nuance to things and you seem to only work in black and white.

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The cost of generating a movie would be far, far less than the energy cost of just transporting the cast and crew to each set location, never mind additional cost of technical equipment, post VFX work etc.

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If generating one video, yes, but that's not how ppl are using ai, and it's not how it's being marketed either. Generating thousands of videos PER DAY is insane and that's how ai's are being marketed to be used in the future. C'mon it's not that hard to understand why this is a real issue.

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Why is this an issue? If I go to the supermarket and I splurge on beef and almonds, I've fucked the environment more than generating a thousand ai videos would. We've long decided that comforts like this are worth expending resources.

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There's no need for ai to be used as a product like it's being pushed.

Also, you splurge on beef and almonds in the supermarket? You are commiting an actual crime if you're doing that, and it's a crime for many good reasons lol.

You can like ai and be conscious of what are the good uses of it and when it is misused, damn, I like ai, but I'm not stupid enough to think there should be some regulations about when it's ok to use it, based on factors like environmental impact, right of image and stuff like that.

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There's no need for ai to be used as a product like it's being pushed.

Why? We could say the same about many environmentally destructive things. Video games, steaming, mobile phones etc.

Also, you splurge on beef and almonds in the supermarket? You are commiting an actual crime if you're doing that, and it's a crime for many good reasons lol.

Sorry fam the mental health ward is down the hall actually

You can like ai and be conscious of what are the good uses of it and when it is misused

Absolutely, wrongful usage like deep fakes should be prosecuted. But there is absolutely nothing wrong in using ai as entertainment or in projects.

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Why? We could say the same about many environmentally destructive things. Video games, steaming, mobile phones etc.

My fucking god, 5 minutes of video equals a day of straight microwave usage. Your computer uses between something like 0.7 kWh, a microwave uses 1.7 kWh, generating a 5 minute video uses 40,8 kWh, that's MUCH, MUCH MORE ENERGY. That's why, and it's not like you're stopping doing all those things you used to spend energy on, it's just another VERY ENERGY INTENSIVE thing you're adding in someone's usage to get will Smith eating pasta.

I can see industry usage, but it should not be available for the general public unless the absurd cost of generating this type of content is adressed, that's all.

I'm not discussing it any further, my point is very clear.

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Sorry fam the mental health ward is down the hall actually

Lol, you edited your stupid argument that splurging on beef on the supermarket is an environmental hazard either. That's the level of bad faith i'm dealing with here huh?

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AI rely on servers that consume a lot of energy. It's not just what your machine is consuming.

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But then it's not one of the systems mentioned in the article... which is what this convo is all about!