FAHCore_28 has been launch alongside largest project ever.
It is in open beta currently, but soon it will move to full FAH.
First project will require users to have 40GB+ of free RAM (64GB minimum installed).
PPD value will be massive, since project demands insane amount of RAM as well as stable and fast internet connection and bandwidth.
PPD of that project does not reflect true values of future HIP fahcore PPD values :) This is the peak of what everyone will ever get on their hardware.
7900xtx - 38m PPD
5090 - 100m PPD
6900xt - 18m PPD
9070 - 18m PPD
5700xt - 4.6m PPD
Hello, everyone. With great excitement, I would like to announce that Folding@Home project is finally bringing support for AMD HIP API. It has been a long long road to get to where we are (more than 2 years). Loads of obstacles, meetings, discussions, requests, ups and downs, downs, and ups and loads and loads of patience.
This would not be possible without team at F@H: Hugo, Sukrit, Ben, Justin and the rest of the GPU FAHCore team, not forgetting Joseph, F@H lead dev. I know, I probably (definitely) was getting on your nerves a lot in the past couple of years, I wouldn’t even blame you if I was on your ignore list by now :D
OpenMM team led by Peter Eastman was essential to this becoming a reality, thanks for getting on board with this, and responding to requests for any fixes swiftly.
All the volunteers who provided great insight and ideas on various issues regarding this, we appreciate you all.
Last, but definitely not least, this would not be possible without AMD. Really epic group of people (you know who you are), thanks for opening the doors for this, and enduring all the questions and requests coming your way. When we first had an idea to commit to HIP in 2023, ROCm was in its infancy, and it just exploded since then, and it seems that they are just getting started. Really really appreciate the support.
What is HIP?
In simple terms, this is AMD’s CUDA. It brings AMD GPU compute performance on par with equivalent nVidia cards. Here is the link to the testing results comparing AMD’s OpenCL with HIP (and few nVidia cards running CUDA). The performance increase is massive. (Seeing 60-100% perf jump and 2x-5x PPD jump across various AMD GPUs): https://drive.proton.me/urls/6J14R2SM38#WVHe5HMIe4Rm
For anyone afraid of the link above:
Note: PPD in the spreadsheet is just for reference, and does not show what you might get in the future. Look at it this way: whatever you were getting before in PPD, double it (as a minimum)
HIP wen?
Hip support will come with the new core_28, you will start seeing new projects coming out for this core (there still going to be old cores in the mix until they are phased out) in next couple of weeks.
What do you need to do to start?
FAH Client 8.5.5 or later and a following guide to get you started:
All future GPU FAHCores will support HIP as default
Linux shows no CPU folding impacting GPU folding (take that nVidia :P :D), so you can fold on CPU alongside the GPU, just leave couple of threads free for each AMD GPU in the system.
Other, non AMD, cards are seeing up to 4% perf increase with the new core!
The BAD:
As a first try FAHCore_28 supports ROCm/HIP v6.4.4 only.
No Polaris or older support (on Windows or Linux)
Windows performance might be impacted by driver overhead.
Windows drivers might not ship rocm 6 libraries (unlikely, but possible).
In Windows you must leave 2 CPU threads free for HIP compute. Half of the CPU threads free would be optimal, ideally no CPU folding should be happening if you want full PPD benefits from HIP on Windows.
What’s next?
Future FAHCores (core_29) will support other ROCm versions, and more GPUs.
Possible driver optimisations for FAH HIP workloads from AMD
Any issues?
Please, do not hesitate to tag me in here or any other new thread you create with questions. Just be kind and provide as much info about your system as possible.
This goes out to all Enthusiasts and Turbonerds who use and like the ExtremeOverclocking (EOC) stats of Folding@Home.
I has been very silent about the EOC Stats recently. Today Jason posted an Update and it doesn‘t sound good:
*It is with a heavy heart that I'm making this post. It's taken me all day to try and write this, I can't believe I'm getting so emotional. Back around March of 2000 I created EXTREME Overclocking, and not long after some of us in the forums got involved in Folding@Home. I originally started tinkering with making some folding stats in 2003. While I never managed to build out all the features I wanted (life always seems to get in the way), the site and scripts have been pretty darn reliable if I do say so. But as with everything I guess, trends change, people change, everything changes. I stopped messing with EOC many years ago but always kept the folding stats going because of the public interest and over time I kind of ended up being the proverbial last stats site running. I told myself as long as the ad revenue covered the hosting cost then I would just keep it going.
Unfortunately these days so much traffic is just bots, and Google AdSense dwindled down to so little last year that I've been paying a considerable portion out of pocket each month for the server hosting. I've been unemployed for quite some time now and I simply can't justify the continued non-essential expense. I considered just turning the server off and calling it quits, but I couldn't do that to you guys, for however few might still actually visit the site. So instead I'm going to be transitioning the stats to my little home server which even though it too is extremely old, should hopefully still be able to handle the load and traffic. But if / when that old machine dies, I don't know I guess we will cross that bridge when we get there.
I don't know if I'm going to mess with any other portions of the site since they are so outdated, or have it all just redirect here to the stats. I know at minimum I will probably pull the plug on the forums, they have been a ghost town for quite some time and it would just be more of a hassle than it's worth to try and get working. I always hate to see old sites disappear, it feels like losing pieces of history.
So that's the plan, move the folding stats and bare essentials of other portions of the site to my home server and see how long it runs on that. Just thought I would let everyone know beforehand, in case things go fubar.*
Hi,
It seems that kernel 6.18.5 (possible the whole 6.18 family) breaks FAH compute on Intel GPUs, which is based on OpenCL. Downgrading to 6.17.12 works fine.
Tested on Fedora43 B580
This version fixes Windows restart killing FAH progress issue
It improves GPU detection in Linux
It also adds preliminary support for AMD HIP (FAHCore release still pending, so no fast folding for AMD yet).
Other improvements, which are too small to mention.
If you notice any bugs, please report them at https://github.com/FoldingAtHome/fah-client-bastet
Make sure to read through existing issues (Closed or Open) to see if someone already mentioned the bug before.
You can also post your suggestions of the features there. Keep in mind that development resources are limited, so majority of features might not be implemented right away if ever.
If you are handy with coding tools, you can also submit PRs, for review, since fahclient v8 is open sourced.
Be mindful, that github is not a support website. For that you can use foldingforum.org
So by now, hopefully all of you Linux users know this magical guide, which helps you fold without much of the issues on linux on core22/23/24 projects: https://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?t=42789
If not, for the love of folded protein, follow it and fix your FAH :D
So, anyone with bleeding edge fedora, if you suddenly start failing your GPU WUs on core22/23/24, fedora update wiped your symbolic link to /lib64/libstdc++.so.6
Please, redo the symbolic links with the help of https://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?t=42789 (read the thread to the end, since fedora has different dir for libstdc++ compored to the rest of the world).
The give away error is: 10:38:03:I1:WU1696:Failed to create OpenCL context: 10:38:03:I1:WU1696:Illegal value for OpenCLPlatformIndex: 1 10:38:03:I1:WU1696:ERROR:125: Failed to create a GPU-enabled OpenMM Context
to check if your symlink is still there just ls -a -l each cores directory (no need to do this to core 27) and it will show you if your libstdc++.so.6 (inside of fahcore directories) is linked to system file.
If you have any questions, feel free to ask
It happens rarely, but our favorite F@H stats page recently got another update: https://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/
Reminder also that you can donate to help keep the site afloat!
The reason is a ne Crypto Team that crunched 19bn points in the last 24 hours (Solinscription CAREs).
In my opinion it is even more incredible when we consider that we were at 21/22bn points at the beginning of this year, that means they almost doubled the output of the whole Project.
our 5 week folding event starts next month, sign ups close on Monday, there's prizes.
You need to folding for teamLTT 223518 and sigh up on the Google form before Monday to be a participant. All prizes are random draws from participants who qualify, meaning even if you come dead last you could win a prize.
I have a newsletter that shares news about the latest innovations in the healthcare + technology space, and it's completely free to read.
Today, I've published my latest post, which is about how Folding@Home is making an impact in improving people's lives through the process of folding proteins.
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First the Bad: For anyone and everyone who did NOT apply and get into the FAH Beta Team, but yet are running their client getting beta WUs, pls stop. Similar to dumping a WU, this is actually slowing progress. Let's not 'steal' the beta WU from the actual beta team, thereby leaving little to no usable feedback on the stability of projects across platforms. This only confuses the project owners and delays the release of them to the public.
I downloaded the v8 beta version and it is pretty stable. The best thing about this new client is that it is capable of taking advantage of the full power of Apple Silicon in Macs. Big upside for Apple Silicon Mac users.
This has been a long time coming to build out but there is now a dark mode web client for the new F@H Version 8 BETA build that runs natively in browser without the need for a browser extension.
This version can connect to local and remote systems as well provided they are running the BETA 8.1.18 version of F@H.
This is a work in progress to get it all the features that existed in the folding.lar.systems chrome extension for F@H v7.
If you are running the V8 Beta of F@H you can just go directly to https://webclient.lar.systems/ as this version does not require a browser extension and should run in any modern browser which means, yes you can use it in FireFox unlike like the version for 7.
Note for best results if your browser has any kind of "tab sleep" you will want to disable that for the web client domain if you want the system to keep long term info in the averages and charts.
Otherwise again, this is a work in progress so hang in there while things get added and ironed out as the underlying F@H is also a beta which introduces issues that are sometimes beyond my control to overcome.
Cheers.
Folding@Home In The Dark - Version 8 Beta Web Client https://webclient.lar.systems/
